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Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 18 Apr 2014 at 2:25PM
accusing on cheating
Posted by never be clever on 18 Apr 2014 at 2:34AM
today i was accused by a player that i cheat and use a computer.
i am not and it is very easy to see i am not: i loose often. while playing through a game of my a decent chess player will easy recognize my level: an enthosisatic player of an 'elo' rating of 1700-1800 *): a decent club player never playing extraordinary good moves and sometimes playing very silly ones and often winning because the opponent played a loosing move in won position

-i think it is not good to communicate here without using the basic rules of politeness. This player does not use these rules in his writing to me
-i think there must be a really very good reason to accuse somebody of cheating: rating of a computer programme and play like a programme. that is in the 1st place: no silly moves and playing moves without an obvious idea (as programmes don't have idea's)
-in case of suspicion there are many ways for further investigation: 1) play head to head or blitz chess on an other side 2) ask about terms computer programmes don't know anything about like defintions of tactics or about development, activity, weaknesses, danger or plans 3) let a decent player, say of elo>2200, look to a couple of games. in 1-2 minutes he goes though 5 games and can tell pretty good what the level of the suspected player is and if there are irragularities in the games

btw: who gave this player the right to accuse people of cheating?

*)
the dutch national rating using the same method as fide/ elo. but to start with a real elo you have to have a rating of above 2000. 20 years ago i hoped to read that one day, but now i am realistic
     
Re: accusing on cheating
Posted by never be clever on 18 Apr 2014 at 4:03AM
-sorry for posting twice (often problems with the connection to gt. may be my anti adware software does not like the way ads are shown on gt??)
-two ideas what to do in case of serious suspicion for further investigation: results and games on other sites and variations of chess which programms cannot play like extinction chess and (my favourite) knightmate chess
     
Re: accusing on cheating
Posted by Rogue Trooper on 18 Apr 2014 at 6:00AM
Some people are not, perhaps, graceful at losing and lash out without thinking; you didn't by chance win a game against this person did you?
Cheating is a serious accusation to make and should never be made lightly.
          
Re: accusing on cheating
Posted by EsqKeeper  on 18 Apr 2014 at 1:00PM
For experienced players, when the opponent you beat that is way below your rating starts playing the next game with all the right moves (or best), you can sense it, but just keep quiet and play on. We are here to have fun. Just ignore the next challenges or the player (your call). Other than winning I see no other gain in that. Nothing is learned. If cheating, and he or she may win, but will never know why and how they won. LOL!
          
Moderated
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 18 Apr 2014 at 1:55PM
               
Moderated
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 18 Apr 2014 at 2:00PM
          
Re: accusing on cheating
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 18 Apr 2014 at 3:10PM
No RY. I won the game...<><>
(no subject)
Posted by MrWCF  on 30 Mar 2014 at 3:09PM
By the way, this problem was first published in 1923 in T. R. Dawson's column in The Chess Amateur. It is #930, and it was composed by Orrin Frink, Jr.
The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Lion Rampant on 30 Mar 2014 at 5:38AM
White K @c3 B@h3 P@ h2 White to play and win
West German GM Klaus Darga caused a sensation when this little endgame gem
was published in a chess magazine in the 1980s. Even legends like Tal and Spassky were rumoured to have
given up after wrestling with it for 45 minutes. When the magazine editor heard the story,he tried 1.Bg2
"That's the same move as Spassky played" said a highly amused Darga. So how does White achieve the win?
Over to you,fellow woodpushers.....
     
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by rabbitoid  on 30 Mar 2014 at 6:31AM
Interesting position. White has 3 pieces, Black zero.
          
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Lion Rampant on 30 Mar 2014 at 7:07AM
Black has 1 piece The K Smiling
               
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by 1926  on 30 Mar 2014 at 7:12AM
Is the black king invisible? That would explain why even the grandmasters were puzzled.
                    
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by rabbitoid  on 30 Mar 2014 at 8:31AM
Maybe the position of the black king IS the puzzle...
                         
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by FragileKitty  on 30 Mar 2014 at 9:37AM
Black king is on f2.
                              
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by FragileKitty  on 30 Mar 2014 at 10:20AM
Only one move by White wins. Smiling
                                   
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Lion Rampant on 30 Mar 2014 at 11:03PM
Whoops! I forgot to put the position of the Black K on the board.
As Fragile Kitty says,its on square f2. Mucho ApologiesSad
                              
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by rabbitoid  on 30 Mar 2014 at 10:24AM
Only 4 pieces, but not easy at all. I looked at it for a while, but nothing yet. The black K reaches the square as though the B is transparent.
Please don't post the solution immediately.
                                   
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by MrWCF  on 30 Mar 2014 at 2:59PM
This was a problem with a most unlikely solution (I won't give it except to say it's mate in 14).
                                        
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by MrWCF  on 30 Mar 2014 at 3:11PM
By the way, this problem was first published in 1923 in T. R. Dawson's column in The Chess Amateur. It is #930, and it was composed by Orrin Frink, Jr.
                                             
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by rabbitoid  on 1 Apr 2014 at 3:06AM
Wow, I must be a grandmaster
3 train rides and 2 lunch pauses later: I'm stumped too.
                                                  
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Lion Rampant on 1 Apr 2014 at 3:15AM
I'm surprised at lack of enterprise(dare I say apathy?) regarding the solving of
this puzzle. I will give it a few more days and then reveal the solution....
No doubt this will result in a mass nodding of heads and the general comment....
"Ohhhhh yes....fancy overlooking that(!)" :D
                                                       
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Sir Face of the GoldTable  on 1 Apr 2014 at 5:43AM
ok - I'll take a stab...

Assuming a white win is possible it looks like you need to promote the pawn.

Allowing the black king to move g1 then h1 looks like a draw unless you free the path for the pawn..

so moving the white king feels wrong and means the white bishop needs to move..

Bf1 is tempting - but black would ignore and move to f3...after which I don't see a path to victory for white.

and Bg2 lets Black go to e3 then f4 and get ahead of the pawn (though I had to look for ages for that one and am kinda assuming it is wrong from the fact it was mentioned above...)

so...Be6 or Bd7 would be my best guess...
                                                            
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by FragileKitty  on 1 Apr 2014 at 6:32AM
So try each move and play through some lines Smiling
                                                            
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Lion Rampant on 1 Apr 2014 at 2:57PM
There isn't any "assumption" that there is a White win
The puzzle said just that if you wish to scroll back and look(?) And it does involve
the pawn promoting even though White has the 'wrong' bishop
All I will say is you have found the right move..now carry on and find the win Smiling
                                                  
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by FragileKitty  on 1 Apr 2014 at 6:26AM
THESE ARE PROGRESSIVE CLUES, so skip them if you don't want any help.

1) Work out what must happen (or be prevented) before calculating. Once you know that, the calculation is trivial.

2) Black's goal is to get to the h8-corner. If he can do that it's a draw.

3) Because of the position of White's king (not being able to beat Black to the corner), White must somehow control the key squares that prevent Black's king from getting to the corner or capturing the pawn.

4) How can the bishop assist with this?

5) As the pawn advances, the "box" the king must be in to be able to catch it shrinks.

6) As the pawn can get to h4 easily enough, what diagonal should the bishop cover first?

7) Does the bishop need to be able to later cover an additional diagonal as the pawn advances and the Black king closes in?

8) What bishop move covers the first diagonal and is ready to cover the next diagonal when needed?
                                                       
Re: The Puzzle that stumped the Grandmasters
Posted by Lion Rampant on 10 Apr 2014 at 11:32AM
I was really disappointed with the overall response to crack this neat
little endgame problem.
I'm wondering if this ending had cropped up in an actual game would anyone have found it OTB(?)
Maybe the title frightened off potential solvers(?!)
Well,for the curious,I give the solution below.
Unusually,for the wrong rook color pawn,White can manoeouvre his three remaining men to
prevent the Black King reach the square h8 and thereby drawing.1Bd7! Kf3 2.h4 Ke4 (If instead Kf4 then
3.Kd4 Kg3 4.h5 and the pawn runs through)3.h5 Ke5 4.h6 Kf6 5.Be8 blocking the Black's King's
advance and ensuring the queening of the pawn. Simple!
Who moves first?
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 26 Mar 2014 at 2:16PM


Posted on Checkers DB also.
     
Re: Who moves first?
Posted by Rogue Trooper on 26 Mar 2014 at 6:05PM
I do. But I'll need someone to pick up the pieces after the board hits the floor.
EXCELLENT picture of true strategy games!

(Did you think of that? It's really clever!)
          
Re: Who moves first?
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 26 Mar 2014 at 9:06PM
It's a checkers board, you can see the numbers in white on the squares. I have two of them and remembered I had my old chess set in the closet. I brought out the pieces to see what they'd look like on that board. After I put the white chess pieces on the board I suddenly wondered what it would look like if I put checkers on the other side. Smiling
     
Re: Who moves first?
Posted by unbeatable on 27 Mar 2014 at 8:26AM
Flip a coin says I
     
Re: Who moves first?
Posted by unbeatable on 27 Mar 2014 at 8:34AM
I think the checkers side should have 16 or the chess side 12.
     
Re: Who moves first?
Posted by Bobbyb1947  on 27 Mar 2014 at 6:02PM
An excellent photo Robyn! It certainly presents the two giants of war in an unique,subtle but no holds barred way!! I will challenge anyone in the world on this one!! My only conditions are that I play white and move first. And,of course the regular rules apply for the moves of the Chess pieces as well as those rules that apply to Checkers!!
          
Re: Who moves first?
Posted by Lion Rampant on 28 Mar 2014 at 12:06AM
The chessmen should always win....after all,they are 16 v 12 (!) Smiling
Ladder
Posted by Garfunkel on 26 Mar 2014 at 9:38AM
Being new here, I'd like to know how this ladder stuff is working. Am I to challenge anybody of the same rung, who doesn't play yet or is this done automatically?. I already played one but don't know how this game has been arranged.
     
Re: Ladder
Posted by heyred72  on 26 Mar 2014 at 1:55PM
Welcome, Garfunkel! Smiling

Ladder games are started automatically, once a day, between available opponents on the same ladder rung. You can read full details on the Info page entitled Ladders. High five
Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Ray of Light  on 23 Mar 2014 at 12:58PM
Coming soon to a gamesheet near you: Fischer Random Chess, otherwise known as Chess960. This latter name comes from the fact that there are 960 possible starting positions available in the variant. One of those 960 initial positions is the starting position of a standard game of chess.

Question: Should the possibility of generating a standard game of chess remain in this variant, or should it be explicitly eliminated?
Thanks for your replies to this informal poll.

-Ray.
     
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by FragileKitty  on 23 Mar 2014 at 1:24PM
I'd say leave it out.
          
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by rabbitoid  on 23 Mar 2014 at 1:46PM
Then it should be called chess 959.
               
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Ray of Light  on 23 Mar 2014 at 1:49PM
How about Chess960-- ?
          
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Bobbyb1947  on 26 Mar 2014 at 6:29AM
I agree FragileKitty!!!! After all,why fool around with the lovely splendor of a game that's been around for thousands of years????
               
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by FragileKitty  on 26 Mar 2014 at 7:03AM
I didn't mean leave the variant out. Smiling I was suggesting to not allow the standard setup as one of the starting positions.

However, I have no plans to ever play chess 960. Smiling
                    
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Seppe-Sai on 26 Mar 2014 at 8:14AM
Chess 960, like all other variants of chess, will keep cheaters out Smiling
I say they should do away with regular chess and only have variants Smiling Smiling Smiling Smiling
                         
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by FragileKitty  on 26 Mar 2014 at 9:44AM
Unfortunately I don't think that's true anymore.
     
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Guanarteme  on 23 Mar 2014 at 2:03PM
Then the next question will be about positions that can transpose. The variant should stand in its own right. I vote for leaving it in.
     
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Lion Rampant on 23 Mar 2014 at 11:49PM
Capablanca once advocated changing the starting position of the pieces. Despite
his great prestige and influence,the idea never caught on. if it ain't broke,
don't fix says I...
     
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Garfunkel on 26 Mar 2014 at 9:33AM
Standard chess has the starting position 518. When I organize FRC tourneys in OTB this starting postion is always excluded. It doesn't make sense to invite ppl to a FRC match and they have to play standard instead. And if implementing this feature would you then please include the number of the starting postion somwhere on the page? Just above or below the diagram would be perfect.
          
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Ray of Light  on 26 Mar 2014 at 10:45AM
I have been trying to find an algorithm that converts a starting position to the starting position. Does such a beast exist?
I would rather not do a database lookup, if possible.
               
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Garfunkel on 26 Mar 2014 at 10:59AM
Are you talking of randomizing the starting positions? It's normally done by a random generator.
And btw, as there are quite a bunch of starting positions favoring White for the first 2/3 moves - while Black`s answer is nearly forced - don't forget to run matches/tourneys etc. with two games per player - the same position with colors reversed.
I did lately annotate the first 100 starting positions of FRC - if you're interested you can get them - for free of course.
                    
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Ray of Light  on 26 Mar 2014 at 11:03AM
Actually, I am wanting to determine the starting position number given the starting position. So, if the starting position is, say, 'rbkqrnnb', what is the corresponding SP number?
                         
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Garfunkel on 26 Mar 2014 at 11:17AM
Take a look - I am using it too

it's explained in German if there are any questions just ask.

http://www.chess-960.org/14524.php
                              
Re: Coming soon: Fischer Random Chess (Chess960)
Posted by Ray of Light  on 26 Mar 2014 at 11:19AM
Thank you for that. In the interim, I found what I was seeking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess960_numbering_scheme
The Chess4Fun Club - New Tournament
Posted by Mike  on 16 Mar 2014 at 7:15AM
The Chess4Fun Club invites all GT Chess Players to join our newest Official Club Tournament:
  • The Chess4Fun Double Elimination Chess Only Tournament.
  • Sign Up IN PROGRESS!
  • Starts: Thursday, 27 March 2014
  • Automated, no wiki's to edit.
  • Winners receive an Onyx Token.
  • All participants, win or lose, receive a Special Profile Token.

If you would like to join our club, please PM Mike  for an invitation.

~ Thank you
     
Re: The Chess4Fun Club - New Tournament
Posted by EsqKeeper  on 19 Mar 2014 at 1:42PM
I'm so glad we're doing this Mike.

Thank you,

Nes
          
Re: The Chess4Fun Club - New Tournament
Posted by Mike  on 19 Mar 2014 at 7:11PM
We have a great club with great tradition and a lot of activity.
Our next official club tournament starts on March 27th... send a PM to Mike  if you would like to join in on the fun.
The Chess4Fun Club
World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by unbeatable on 13 Mar 2014 at 1:00PM
Anand 1 Aronian 0 All others drew in round 1
     
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by unbeatable on 14 Mar 2014 at 7:09AM
Svidler,Kramnik,&Anand share the lead after round 2
     
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by unbeatable on 15 Mar 2014 at 1:21PM
Anand leads at 2.5/3
          
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by never be clever on 27 Mar 2014 at 2:45PM
With 2 rounds to go anand still leads with 7½/12, a whole point more than aronian and 1½ points to Mamedyarov and Karjakin.
The poet knew it already long long ago 'the times they are a-changin': former world champions Topalov and Kramnik last but one and last.

               
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 27 Mar 2014 at 3:13PM
All Anand needs to do is draw out because he has the tiebreaker. Even if Aronian wins both and Anand draws, Vishy will advance to play for another title. He's played very solidly and hasn't gotten into any real difficulties. His win over Aronian was good, but his positional crush of Topalov was beautiful. He's proven he deserves a rematch. The big surprise for me is how poorly Kramnik has played. In the last Candidates he played very well and almost caught Carlsen. In this Candidates he's played inconsistently and made an egregious error the other day.
                    
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by never be clever on 27 Mar 2014 at 7:01PM
Anand's game of today against Andreikin is one for the magazines. The computer (Houdini 4 x64. AT this moment on the 'LightSpeed ratinglist' number one with a rating of 3186) saw many moves +3, even +4.11 at move 36 and at the end +2.8 but Anand repeated moves. See the official website of the even, http://candidates2014.fide.com/live.html

GM Alejandro Ramirez Alvarez doesn't blame Anand very much in his notes on the game on the chessbase site (http://en.chessbase.com/post/candidates-rd12-time-is-running-out).

I think it was Dutch GM l'Ami who in an interview with Hans Böhm said that he stops to study a opening line if the computer evaluates 0.2 as he is sure he will find the way to win while playing.
                         
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 27 Mar 2014 at 7:06PM
Anand had chances earlier also. He was probably wise not to press it if he wasn't completely sure. He doesn't need to win. I wonder what an engine would do if programmed to analyze their tournament position along with the game position. Smiling
                              
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by never be clever on 29 Mar 2014 at 4:42PM
aronian blew it and anand is 1,5 point ahead on 5 (of the 8!!!) players with one round to go.
so after the summer it is again carlsen - anand. the last world championship match (2013) was lost by anand by a hurting 3½–6½
                                   
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by FragileKitty  on 29 Mar 2014 at 6:18PM
I think it will be a much better match this time. Hopefully Anand will be hungry for it this time.
                                        
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by Lion Rampant on 30 Mar 2014 at 1:56AM
Indeed! Revenge is a very powerful driving force..(!) Smiling
                                             
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by unbeatable on 30 Mar 2014 at 10:01AM
I think they should play as close to Carlsen's hometown as possible.
                                             
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by never be clever on 31 Mar 2014 at 3:41AM
so the next world champion is again of the very pragmatic style.
i prefer the crazy ones (shirov, ivanchuck), the very agressive playing ones (numero last topalov) or, at most, and in the line of fischer and kasparov, the very positional playing ones who with astonishing crystal clear planes and transform very tiny little positional advantages with magic in advantages from ebony wood (kramnik and aronian)
                                                  
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by FragileKitty  on 31 Mar 2014 at 6:30AM
You don't think Carlsen falls into the positional camp? Granted he has a universal style (i.e., good at everything), but since he's matured as a player, his intuitive sense of where to put the pieces is amazing, and he often transforms wins from the tiniest positional advantages.
                                                       
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by never be clever on 31 Mar 2014 at 8:24AM
i saw him playing often in corus and tata. usually there was a lot of talking about him, that is: his age. and not about his chess.
     
Re: World Champion Challenger Event
Posted by never be clever on 31 Mar 2014 at 3:25AM
poor aronian. he lost lost the last round.
so these are the final standings
Rank SNo. Name Rtg FED Pts Res. vict SB
1 6 GM Anand Viswanathan 2770 IND 8½ 0 3 57,25
2 2 GM Karjakin Sergey 2766 RUS 7½ 0 3 51,75
3 4 GM Kramnik Vladimir 2787 RUS 7 2½ 3 49,25
4 5 GM Mamedyarov Shakhriyar 2757 AZE 7 2 3 48,00
5 1 GM Andreikin Dmitry 2709 RUS 7 1½ 2 48,50
6 7 GM Aronian Levon 2830 ARM 6½ 1½ 3 45,00
7 3 GM Svidler Peter 2758 RUS 6½ ½ 3 46,00
8 8 GM Topalov Veselin 2785 BUL 6 0 2 42,25
very very very sad
Posted by never be clever on 4 Mar 2014 at 2:03PM
a day ago posted

Re: Garry Kasparov... by never be clever on 3 Mar 2014 at 4:41PM

kasparov could have used something like the 'method spassky' or 'method Rostropovich': go abroad and keep to chess. a save method keeping everybody happy.
now he is risking to be beaten up, or be jailed for god know how many years. or sent to siberie, like the p.r. band. no i must admit there are 2 reason why p.r. are extremely dangerous. 1: they humor, something both putin and kasparov lack 2: if all people were like p.r. there would be no war and criminality. soldiers and policemen and guard of jailes would look very very very obvious like useless fools. that is something mr putin cannot allow himself
european style politicians, even the very powerful mrs merkel, certainly don't get very wealthy by politics.
so i guess mr kasparov is living so dangerous because he likes russia a lot. if a strange passport can help him with safery, than, please, what is the problem?

today i got the message of the GAME adminstrator
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two of a group young women, artists, who didn't shoot somebody, didn't kick or beat or hurt anybody, didn't use chemical weapons and didn't promote any kind violance whats so ever, were send for two years to a working camp in siberia.
and you find that using the name of the group is bad

today obama talked about the 'wrong side of history'

now what side of history did you have in mind for yourself?
you think it is better to keep silent about people who try to do good (at least, i think so. and i think i show arguments for that, in a decent language) like Nadezjda Tolokonnikova, Maria Aljochina and Garry Kasparov?

to be honest: you so very obvious unreasonableness scares me to death
     
Re: very very very sad
Posted by Oakheart on 4 Mar 2014 at 5:00PM
Goldtoken is very strict on certain language. Not as strict as the Russian's who would silence Mr. Kasparov. I think if you try you can conform to the rules. it is not government controlled but controlled by we the gamers. Well sort of.

Greg
          
Re: very very very sad
Posted by rabbitoid  on 4 Mar 2014 at 8:17PM
Aaargh. Now they are censoring CAT names? Refer to them as kitty riots in the future, maybe that'll pass Smiling
               
Re: very very very sad
Posted by never be clever on 5 Mar 2014 at 12:56AM
it upsets me very. i feel that obama's words fit very well
but i must also admit there is a funny part. it reminds me to what i think is one of the funniest scenes ever. in the 'big lewbowski' a bit strange female artist is kidding about men, about the things they are scared of. and you see how very uncomfortable the big lebowski feels, and thinks: 'she is talking about me!', 'how can she know?'
                    
Re: very very very sad
Posted by Oakheart on 9 Mar 2014 at 7:05PM
great movie
Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 3 Mar 2014 at 1:28PM
I invite anyone interested to take a look at a Small Alekhine Chess set, a variant that's lots of fun to play.



Perhaps, someday, it will be available here at GoldToken.
     
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 3 Mar 2014 at 1:29PM
Click on the photo for more information.
          
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 5 Mar 2014 at 4:34PM
D1 is the General, moving like a Queen or a Knight.
G1 is the Cardinal, moving like a Knight or a Bishop.
H1 is the Marshall, moving like a Rook or a Knight.

Further information is available if you click on the photo.
     
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 5 Mar 2014 at 4:35PM
Games of Small Alekhine Chess between USCF Class A Chess players typically last about 50 moves (quite a few games that I'm aware of have been played by email). (Games between novices typically last about 30 moves.) I think that's probably not that much different than Standard Chess.
     
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 5 Mar 2014 at 4:36PM
For comparison of the move capabilities between the pieces of Standard Chess and the pieces of Small Alekhine Chess, in Standard Chess, two pieces (Kn + Kn) move like a Knight, three pieces (B + B + Q) move like a Bishop, and three pieces (R + R + Q) move like a Rook, whereas in Small Alekhine Chess, four pieces (Kn + M + C + G) move like a Knight, four pieces (B + C + Q + G) move like a Bishop, and four pieces (R + M + Q + G) move like a Rook.

The comparisons of the maximum moves required to checkmate from any starting position for each piece are interesting: King + General vs King = 4 moves, King + Queen vs King = 10 moves, King + Marshall vs King = 11 moves, King + Rook vs King = 16 moves, King + Cardinal vs King = 17 moves.
          
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by Lion Rampant on 6 Mar 2014 at 3:46AM
I once read of a chess Variant called "Maharajah" One side had all the normal chess pieces,the other side had
only one piece,(this was usually the King) This was called the MAHARAJAH. The Maharajah had the powers and moves of all
the chess pieces combined. The objective was simple.if the Maharajah checkmated the enemy King,he won,if he was captured,he lost.
One would think the side with the many pieces would have the advantage,but the Maharajah was so powerful and so swift that he often
broke through the enemy ranks and delivered mate with surprising frequency.
               
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 6 Mar 2014 at 5:12AM
Supposedly, with perfect play, the Maharajah can always be defeated. However, on two internet gaming sites that I know of, the Maharajah wins about 1/3 of the time.
          
Re: Chess Variant
Posted by MrWCF  on 30 Mar 2014 at 11:29PM
Here is another image of Small Alekhine Chess.

Notice that, unlike Traditional Chess, this variant has equally powerful forces on both sides of the King. That is, Queenside = Rook (5) + Knight (3) + Bishop (3) + General (12) = 23, and Kingside = Queen (9) + Cardinal (6) + Marshall (8) = 23.
luck, luck, luck
Posted by Stmhawk  on 2 Mar 2014 at 11:32AM
like all dice games, it involves mostly luck. at least when I lose a regular game, I can go back and see my mistakes. with the dice game, I go back and see my opponents lucky rolls
     
Re: luck, luck, luck
Posted by Dionysos  on 2 Mar 2014 at 12:59PM
I assume by that that you are talking about the new one - dice chess?
          
Re: luck, luck, luck
Posted by Stmhawk  on 2 Mar 2014 at 7:19PM
yes!!!
Garry Kasparov...
Posted by unbeatable on 2 Mar 2014 at 7:25AM
now has Croatian citizenship. Best wishes to Croatia Laughing
     
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by das ist Walter  on 3 Mar 2014 at 3:31PM
what is so funny about him getting a passport outside the sovjet union, I don't know how russian he regards himself, zero??
          
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by never be clever on 3 Mar 2014 at 4:41PM
kasparov could have used something like the 'method spassky' or 'method Rostropovich': go abroad and keep to chess. a save method keeping everybody happy.
now he is risking to be beaten up, or be jailed for god know how many years. or sent to siberie, like the p.r. band. no i must admit there are 2 reason why p.r. are extremely dangerous. 1: they humor, something both putin and kasparov lack 2: if all people were like p.r. there would be no war and criminality. soldiers and policemen and guard of jailes would look very very very obvious like useless fools. that is something mr putin cannot allow himself
european style politicians, even the very powerful mrs merkel, certainly don't get very wealthy by politics.
so i guess mr kasparov is living so dangerous because he likes russia a lot. if a strange passport can help him with safery, than, please, what is the problem?
               
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by das ist Walter  on 5 Mar 2014 at 11:44AM
what is a strange passport, just a paper from a small country or are you refering to a leibach passport in the early 90th?
                    
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by never be clever on 5 Mar 2014 at 1:01PM
sorry. i'm afraid i used a wrong expression. should i say: a passport from a foreign country?
          
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by Lion Rampant on 3 Mar 2014 at 4:49PM
I don't think he is Russian born. His family name was Weinstein so is of
Jewish extraction. His family changed it because it was rumoured at the time
when he was emerging as a future World Champion the Soviet authorities didn't
want their new star to sound Zionist. He is certainly not the only Russian grandmaster
to leave his adopted country. Alekhine,Bogolyubov and Chigorin are famous names of the
past who became emigrants for political reasons.
               
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by Lion Rampant on 3 Mar 2014 at 4:50PM
Boris Spassky was another
                    
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by never be clever on 3 Mar 2014 at 5:35PM
that is right: boris spassky is not garry kasparov. and both look slightly different than Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Maria Alyokhina and Yekaterina Samutsevich. but may be that is an optical illusion
               
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by never be clever on 3 Mar 2014 at 5:20PM
he is soviet born. baku, now Azerbaijan. his father is russian-jewish, his mother is armenian
               
Re: Garry Kasparov...
Posted by never be clever on 4 Mar 2014 at 7:50AM
Many serious people keep Alekhin for a nazi (though there are also some serious people that say he wasn't and thath he was a victim). He was born into a wealthy family, that is for sure. So he had several good reasons to be very very afraid for Stalin and the NKVD.
The case of Efim Bogoljubov seems to be a little bit more complicated. Things like 'the enemy of my enemy ...' complicate matters. He was born Kiev and 'The Holodomor ("Extermination by hunger") was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1932 and 1933 that killed up to 7.5 million Ukrainians.' (Wikipedia). Anyway: Bogo might have been afraid that the NKVD kept him for a Nazi. That sounds like a very good reason to quit Stalin's country. He went to ... Germany. So may be, well ... Or not. Or not that bad. 60 million people died in wwii, Bogo was never accused of killing or abusing anybody.
Mikhail Chigorin was born in the neighboorhood of St Petersburg and died in Lublin, now Poland but at that time russian ruled. No reason to accuse him of something like 'fahnenflucht'
 
Dice Game
Posted by Bobbyb1947  on 23 Feb 2014 at 9:18PM
Hello All! Some great news!! If you practice in your own home in a large enough space for 3 hrs. a day you may become a "Grandmaster" at the Dice Game!! In all honesty not all of you may make it! However some of you will!! Even some of the "Giants" out there who house our competitions say that it "Simply CAN'T BE DONE !!!! But it can! I love the Dice game! And from the very bottom of my heart I hope that an elite number of you will make it!!
     
Re: Dice Game
Posted by Stmhawk  on 24 Feb 2014 at 9:00AM
a few on here are playing the dice game as though there are no dice, for them, that is possible
dice game
Posted by Stmhawk  on 23 Feb 2014 at 4:35PM
like all dice games, dice chess has a lot of luck involved. one person I am playing with is making his moves like he would in regular chess ie, the moves he would like to make while all I get are rook and king moves. his last 3 turns he got knight mones and captured my queen, one of my kings then one of my rooks. well my other rook is not movable, so maybe I won't get any more rook moves
     
Re: dice game
Posted by unbeatable on 23 Feb 2014 at 5:11PM
For some dice chess may be less vexing than normal chess Smiling
          
Re: dice game
Posted by Stmhawk  on 23 Feb 2014 at 5:19PM
well, I have learned if you feel lucky play dice chess, who knows, you may get the moves you want as if it were regular chess
               
Re: dice game
Posted by APINK on 23 Feb 2014 at 5:40PM
Yes; It can also lead to disaster.
bored
Posted by APINK on 21 Feb 2014 at 6:48PM
anyone want a 2 game match?
My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 20 Feb 2014 at 9:10AM
No player wants to take my Caro Kahn invite and let me be white. I guess the CK is not so Good After all. Queen
     
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by map321map on 20 Feb 2014 at 10:12AM
I will accept you invite and move the black pieces.

map321map
          
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 20 Feb 2014 at 10:45AM
ThankYou sir. I will be waiting!
               
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by stones- A - rama  on 20 Feb 2014 at 11:20AM
I accept your invite I'll be black
ok?Smiling
                    
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 20 Feb 2014 at 11:32AM
Sure thing. I am not a CK fan. I like more aggressive openings!
     
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by EsqKeeper  on 20 Feb 2014 at 1:13PM
The Caro Kahn was made famous by former World Champ Anatoly Karpov (Tolya for short), well at least during my time. It usually employs a solid line of play. Closed games wherein the likes of Tigran Petrosyan were successful with it. I will take you on, if practice is what you need. I use to call it the Caro Can't. ;-) But after transposing it similar to the Modern Defense, it can be be added to anyone's repertoire. Again, that's just my opinion.

Thank you,

EsqKeeper
          
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 20 Feb 2014 at 1:27PM

correction

It became famous when world champion Jose Capablanca starting using it successfully.
               
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by stones- A - rama  on 20 Feb 2014 at 2:06PM
I learnt the style from Jose Capablanca. Playing chess
I wanted to know how to beat Bobby Fischer.
Back in the 1968 thur 1977 in my tournament days.
a lot of players played Caro Kaln it really time
consumed in tournaments, but great in blitz.
                    
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 20 Feb 2014 at 4:04PM
Who Invented to Caro Kahn Defense?
                         
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 12:00AM
it was first mentioned by Polero in 1590, first appeared in tournament play in 1883 by master Weiss, not accepted as a standard defense until taken up by Nimzovitch and Capablanca
                              
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 21 Feb 2014 at 8:30AM
was the 1st guy from ITALY?
                                   
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 8:45AM
He was from Lanciano in the Abruzzi, but he moved to Spain where he defeated Ruy Lopez and then moved on to Portugal.
                                        
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 21 Feb 2014 at 8:57AM
Oh You have so much CHESS KNOWLEDGE. WHY DO YOU NOT PLAY OTB IN TOURNAMENTS FOR CASH.
                                             
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 9:01AM
I have played in many OTB tournaments and won prize money. OTB is a young mans game and correspondence chess is more my speed now that I am well into my 60's.
                                                  
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 21 Feb 2014 at 9:06AM
What are the rules to CHESS BY MAIL?
                                                       
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 10:09AM
almost all correspondence chess is played by email or on the internet like here.
                         
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Lion Rampant on 21 Feb 2014 at 5:14AM
The opening is named after two minor 19th century masters,one German,the other Austrian
Marcus Kann and Horatio Caro, who analysed and developed it .
                              
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 6:10AM
Messer's Caro and Kan wrote a brief article in a leading German Chess magazine in 1886 recommending the opening and because their article was the only thing in print about this opening for many years the opening ended up being named after them. They actually did little to advance the theory of the opening other than to encourage players to give it a try.

Europe has been introduced to the opening by Stauton in the mid 1800's when he published some games by his friend John Cochrane who had moved to India to work for the East Indian company and encountered the opening being played by native players there.

the opening gained popularity very gradually until just prior to WWI Nimzowitch, Tartakower and a very young Jose Capablanca started playing the opening regularly. With the support of such strong players continued to gain popularity and started to appear in World Championship matches in the 1950's

I have a database of 6 million games which includes games going back to 1475 and the CaroKan has scored 46.5% and 47.5% in the past two years. Good numbers but players choose the Sicilian six times more often than the CaroKan.
               
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by EsqKeeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 10:52AM
I understand sir, and thank you, reason why I mentioned during my time. Not many of us were already playing during the great Capablanca time.
     
Re: My Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by john39 on 21 Feb 2014 at 9:24AM
I will play you 3 days a move
Caro Kahn Invite
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 11:26AM
I have invited anyone in top 25 to show me the theory behind the Caro Kahn. Queen
GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 19 Feb 2014 at 10:19AM
GRIMSWEEPER IS CHESS.
h has a real qorld rating of Chess Naster.
if he says caro cann is solid as a Rock.
IT IS>

APINK should listen to qhat GRIM says.
You might learn something
I told you brfotr yhink snd do the same things all the time and nothing will change.
GRIM plays OTB...ewal chess.
weare playing postal cghess here becayse of the time limits.

if the is random selection with the Black pieces...GRIM should have got ar least one or two.
it could be that because GRIM is the stronher player hus opponent is given white// MAYVE.
in y T games I get Black agaixt stronger uooents but I also get white too.
if you flip a coin 50 times and kkeep foing theses test...you will find random results.
APINK GRIM iS CHESS.
so is Fragial Kitty.
Rabbitoid and you know the names.
 
yo dum up.
HRIM is correct.
you are incorredt.
you are lke the Zeb Koan about the tea over floeing with water...it can gold no more/
to learn your cup must be empty su it can ge filled with CORRECT information...<><>
and as always it all depends on who you are playing.
thank ou for reading this but I felt it hsd to be said.
                         Regards o all, 
       Knight Jarlynn and please forgive my spelling...lol
     
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 11:01AM
why don't you play me and test grims Idea. You use the Caro Kahn and show me How solid it is? Queen P.S GRIMS GT RATING CAN NOT BE USED BY USCF. I want a USCF rating also.
          
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 19 Feb 2014 at 11:30AM
I won both of our last two games.
once again read options about the sites compuyer///bet you didn;t know tha you can win a game and lose points if the ratings are too far over the 400 rating which the pc labels you as a bully.
I play for ratings...READ.
keep asking the same question and you will keep getting the same answer...<><>
hey I know...invite Cubs for a game.
ge knowa A LIRRLE BIT ABOUT POSTAL cHESS...LOL
YOU CAN DO BETTER THEB THAT TO GET ME INTO A GAME....read ABOUT EATINGS AND KOOK AT THE CHARTS THEN THINK IF YOU GAVE MADE AN INTELLIGENT REQUEST...<><

yOU DON;T TELL ME WHO TO PLAY.
I TELL YOU.
yOU DON;T RELL ME WHEN TO OR TO PLAY.
I TELL YOU.
...<><>>
               
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 11:46AM
OH? REALLY BY THE WAY I am already playing opponents better than you. Walk the Walk. or say nothing at all. You don't tell me anything except you like to put people down to make yourself feel better. I could careless about your rating on here.

You won't gain fame or the WC no matter how high of a GT rating you get. The USCF don't care and either do I. Your rating and my rating USCF AND FIDE reguards it as not useful. Just because your afraid to play me.
                    
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 19 Feb 2014 at 11:57AM
read..
                    
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 19 Feb 2014 at 1:52PM
APINK

We have played several games already and I don't think playing another will benefit you. The Caro-Kan is a solid opening but it is not for you right now. You should follow Fragile Kitty's advice and play 1e4,e5! learn basic tactics and positional concepts and eventually a better understanding of the endgames before moving on to something new.

Playing 1.e4,e5 will also allow you to study classic games by Capablanca, Alekhine, Morphy, Tarrasch, Keres etc. Their games are readily available with their annotations which will be very useful to you.

The trick is not to just read what the great masters say, but to learn how to think like they do. Play close attention to how they evaluate a position and how they go about choosing a move.

For a player like you, the only goal in the opening should be to get a playable middle-game.
                         
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 4:49PM
It dont gain me anything to be 2400 here. FIDE don't care. If I was 2500 FIDE I am almost a GM then I can write books. I don't really care about my rating on games sites. This is suppose to be for fun only.

If I was really 2400 I be in OTB tournaments playing for the Cash!
                         
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 5:04PM
Playing any of the top 25 will benifit me. If I win. I gain 30 points. If I draw I gain 15 points. If I lose I lose zero points and gain more CHESS KNOWLEDGE! I just don't want to put s o much time and energy on here. Family is most important. If I was in a OTB USCF tournament. I would try harder If I was playing for a chance to take home $10,000 and a trophy! Queen
                              
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 19 Feb 2014 at 5:35PM
AND YOU THINK THEY DONT KMOW THAT...ITS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU ALL ALONG.
lol...YOU'RE A FUNNY GUY....LOL/...<><>
                                   
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Oakheart on 19 Feb 2014 at 6:44PM
rabble rabble
                                        
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Oakheart on 19 Feb 2014 at 6:46PM
e4 e5
                                        
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 19 Feb 2014 at 9:08PM
That's very Good...you learned a new word...keep stydying and your vocabulary ill start to improve....just Rabble along singing this song....Rable Rable...<><>
                                             
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 9:22PM
AT LEAST MY NICK IS A REAL WORD. I AM NOT SURE WHERE YOU GET YOUR NICK NAME. MY SCREEN NAME IS WORTH MILLIONS HOW MUCH IS YOUR WORTH?
                                                  
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 9:23PM
                                                  
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 19 Feb 2014 at 9:29PM
so sorry...this was meant for oakland and hs smart rematk.and Mary did a good job, as always...
nothng to fo with you.
sorry anout that.
there really is a knight jarlynn and BADGER made me the icon mask...<(<><>).
                                   
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 19 Feb 2014 at 7:24PM
I don't see any GM on here so I am not impressed. I will just play for fun only USCF RATINGS and FIDE RATINGS MATTER.
                                        
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 19 Feb 2014 at 9:41PM
go your own way then, it seems to really be working out for you.
                                             
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by APINK on 20 Feb 2014 at 7:56AM
My CHESS will get better after I get rid of so many games and play people my rating. It however does not mean I can not beat anyone on this site.

Everyone on here has Good Games Average Games and Poor Games. I do defeat Players rated much higher than me. I am confident in 90 days after my games have lowered back to 15 games because of my guest status.

I can spend more time on each game. It will go back up to 1740. I am not worried about my rating I will be back to normal soon. Queen There is just some players I have a better winning record against.
                                                  
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Colonel Crockett on 20 Feb 2014 at 11:05AM
alot of talk that has nothing to do with chess here. where is a moderator?
                    
Re: GRIM/Black pieces?APINK
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 11 Mar 2014 at 1:28AM
FRENCH DEFENSE
Posted by APINK on 16 Feb 2014 at 4:42PM
I rarely win with it. They say It's a great Defense but not good for me. Sad
     
Re: FRENCH DEFENSE
Posted by FragileKitty  on 16 Feb 2014 at 4:54PM
Have you tried 1...e5 in response to 1.e4? Without a deep knowledge of strategy in Caro-Kann and French systems, they can be difficult to play well and you frequently feel like you're getting smothered. 1...e5 tends to lead to open games that are easier to play at class level without spending half your life studying the opening.
          
Re: FRENCH DEFENSE
Posted by APINK on 16 Feb 2014 at 7:34PM
Yes, The CK however starts with Pawn to C6. I AM NOT GOOD AT THE FRENCH AT ALL.
               
Re: FRENCH DEFENSE
Posted by FragileKitty  on 16 Feb 2014 at 9:27PM
I'm suggesting you give 1...e5 a good shot if you're so unhappy with 1...c6 and 1...e6.
                    
Re: FRENCH DEFENSE
Posted by APINK on 16 Feb 2014 at 9:34PM
I do E5 alot and C5 and Knight to F6
Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by APINK on 16 Feb 2014 at 11:08AM
I don't like the opening because it's too passive. Players on here who like to use it please tell me why you like the opening! Karpov used it so much. It is so Boring of a opening!
     
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 16 Feb 2014 at 12:08PM
It's a tough nut to crack.
          
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by APINK on 16 Feb 2014 at 1:09PM
It's 10th in winning percentage. There is 9 openings better than Caro. I find it the easiest nut to crack.
               
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 16 Feb 2014 at 1:41PM
I have had very good luck with the Caro Kahn, it is solid as a rock.
                    
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Oakheart on 16 Feb 2014 at 2:02PM
what would be an example of this opening?
                         
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 16 Feb 2014 at 2:21PM
Here's Karpov defeating Anand in a WC match in a Caro-Kann, an opening Anand used to play quite a bit.

[Event "Ch World FIDE (final)"]
[Site "Lausanne (Switzerland)"]
[Date "1998.01.05"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "4"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Viswanathan Anand"]
[Black "Anatoly Karpov"]
[ECO "B14"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "98"]

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nf3 Be7 7.cxd5
Nxd5 8.Bd3 Nc6 9.O-O O-O 10.Re1 Bf6 11.Be4 Nce7 12.h4 Nf5
13.Qd3 Nxc3 14.bxc3 h6 15.h5 Nd6 16.Ne5 Nxe4 17.Qxe4 Bxe5
18.dxe5 f5 19.Qe2 Bd7 20.Rd1 Bb5 21.Qf3 Qe8 22.Bf4 Rc8 23.Rd4
Rc4 24.Rad1 Qf7 25.Rxc4 Bxc4 26.a3 Rc8 27.Rd4 Kh7 28.Bd2 Bd5
29.Qh3 b5 30.a4 bxa4 31.Rxa4 Rc4 32.Rxc4 Bxc4 33.Qh4 Bb5 34.c4
Be8 35.c5 Qd7 36.Bc3 Qd3 37.Qd4 Qxd4 38.Bxd4 a5 39.c6 Bxc6
40.f3 f4 41.Bb2 Be8 42.Bc1 a4 43.Bxf4 a3 44.Be3 Bxh5 45.Kf2
Be8 46.Bd4 Bc6 47.Bc3 a2 48.g3 h5 49.g4 h4 0-1

Note: this defense may be different from the Caro Kahn, most likely favored by Kubla Khan (who spelled his name differently). He is known to have played it in Xanadu in a stately-Pleasure Dome down by a sunless sea. He was also known to have given knight odds to 1400 players.
                              
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by APINK on 16 Feb 2014 at 4:29PM
I think; If Fischer and Karpov would have played. Karpov would have lost If he used Caro Kahn.
                                   
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 16 Feb 2014 at 5:54PM
do you really think you understand chess, the Caro-Kan and the play of Fischer and Karpov well enough to make such a statement?
                              
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Oakheart on 17 Feb 2014 at 6:16AM
Thanks
                                   
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Colonel Crockett on 17 Feb 2014 at 8:59PM
If you lose frequently with the caro-kann and the french defense the flaw is in your play not in the merits of the opening. I can remember Svidler being criticized a few years ago for whipping out the yawn slav defense and when asked "why did you play the slav?" he responded, "why not?" ... that's a good response to all the "why this opening?" questions (short of obvious bad blunderous ones of course).
                                   
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Lion Rampant on 18 Feb 2014 at 5:46AM
If the Caro-Kann is really such a maligned opening then why have many of the great players
of the past adopted it ? Legends like Nimzowitsch,Tartakower,Flohr and Petrosian all became
permanent converts. No less a player than Botvinnik used the CK in his World title matches against
Smyslov and Tal. But he,ironically, also created a devestating device for White that almost drove the opening into
oblivion in the 1930s,the Panov-Botvinnik Attack. It has always maintained the reputation of being a safe,albeit dull
opening,lacking the dynamic imbalance which produces winning chess.
                                        
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Colonel Crockett on 18 Feb 2014 at 9:54AM
endgame artistry is perhaps not as exciting as brilliant attacking chess but is more practical and straightforward especially for intermediate players.
                                             
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Lion Rampant on 18 Feb 2014 at 11:16AM
Soon after Karpov became World Champion after Fischer's default of the title,he
was asked virtually the perennial question by amateur players as to what they should
do to improve their results. Karpov asked what they did at the present time.They told him they
played many match games and studied the openings. "But the endings not very much"? he enquired,
"Do the opposite-study endgames".
          
Re: Caro Kahn is a bad opening
Posted by Bobbyb1947  on 18 Feb 2014 at 11:11AM
Yes a hard nut to crack for one player! However another player could CRUSH it like Odd Job did to that Golfball in Goldfinger while Connery looked on in amazement. so,my point? Some players from High School up to Kar,Kasp and Magnus like to bury themselves in and then wait for the enemy to come in!!!! As a 2000 (USCF) player I feel that my best bet is to play OPEN!!!!! PERIOD!!! Just the other day I looked over some of my HighSchool games (from the early 60's) and found to my amazement that without EXCEPTION every game where I did what good old rules told me to do (Along with counting the # of times I was hitting the four center squares ) I WON!! well both my Tennis Coaches and Martial senseis told me, "NEVER CHANGE A WINNING GAME BUT ALWAYS CHANGE A LOSING GAME!" Well enough said! I think I have a stronger perspective on the game (I hope). For me if it works I do it! Best of skill to you all! And another note on another subject. RE: Ladder COLLAPSE! If this was street warfare someone sure got a 1/20th of a second Front Snap Kick into our you know what!! I'm 100% positive that neither M or M up at the top of mgmt.and programming even knew what the heck happened!! But someone probably did (my opinion). And Grim, I wouldn't take it personally! Whatever or whoever was after ALL of Us. Eddie Snow isn't the only creep in this world and hacking has gone from endemic to EPIDEMIC !!
               
Re: Caro Kahn is a FINE opening
Posted by FragileKitty  on 18 Feb 2014 at 12:07PM
Against 1.e4, I used to play the French as an OTB class C and then B player, and I did great...until I started playing class A (and up) players.

So I switched to the Najdorf Sicilian and got crushed by these stronger players even worse.

Finally, I took up 1..e5, and my concentrated tactics bootcamp program finally paid off. I gained 200 rating points within a year.

I'm not saying this was all due to my opening choice, but I can say that for me, 1..e5 is a lot easier to fake with average knowledge of theory against stronger opposition. The French (and Caro) are still wonderful openings, but at a certain level (class A for me), you really need to understand the strategic themes and typical structures, or you risk getting smothered and/or blown off the board. You typically have less space than with 1...e5, and you usually have a critical moment during the opening or early middlegame where you better know what to do or you will just suffer from that point on.

Honestly, at the class level (< 2000), it probably doesn't matter what opening you play. The game is rarely decided then. The lower your rating, the more this is true. And I'm talking about OTB rating in a real tournament. Everything changes when you can consult databases and books and take your time with each move (not that your understanding of strategy will be any better, but at least you can catch many tactics you might miss OTB). But for me, open games are a lot easier to play at the upper class level when the clock's running (if you play turned based games without deep study of each position, you might as well be playing an OTB regular or blitz tournament game).

Someday I'll return to my beloved French. As Ari Ziegler said in his French Defense DVD, "As I spent less time with chess and I grew older and my mind got slower, I switched from the Sicilian to the French." Smiling Seriously though, the French feels like a fine wine to me, with hidden riches. I've never felt like I owned an opening, but I see that possibility with the French. The same could be said of the Caro, if that's your cup of tea. Or really any opening.

The worst thing we can do, and I've been guilty, is constantly change our opening after a loss or two. Find something that usually leads to positions you like, and stick with it through thick and thin.
                    
Re: Caro Kahn is a FINE opening
Posted by Lion Rampant on 18 Feb 2014 at 2:33PM
One definite plus about the Caro is that the black c Bishop isn't locked in,the great drawback
of the French.
                         
Re: Caro Kahn is a FINE opening
Posted by APINK on 18 Feb 2014 at 3:51PM
Yuck for the Caro Kahn. I rarely use it. I think in my 1200 games I used it 2 times with POOR RESULTS! I will never use it again unless it's a thematic tournament. Queen
                         
Re: Caro Kahn is a FINE opening
Posted by FragileKitty  on 21 Feb 2014 at 6:31AM
This is true, but there's a trade-off. Black normally pushes the c-pawn to c5 in one move (e.g., in the French), but in the Caro it takes two moves. These differences usually lead to very different pawn structures. Caro pawn structures are frequently closer to the Scandinavian than the French.
                              
Re: Caro Kahn is a FINE opening
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 21 Feb 2014 at 7:29AM
The Caro Kahn is not an aggressive opening for black, and many chess players are just too itching for a fight to have the patience to play it. I find that piece development is more harmonious when compared to the French.
Computer Chess
Posted by 1926  on 15 Feb 2014 at 8:58AM
Has anyone here seen the movie Computer Chess? Is it any good?
     
Re: Computer Chess
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 15 Feb 2014 at 7:10PM
I managed to watch about 15 minutes of it.
It happened 50 years ago
Posted by Guanarteme  on 14 Feb 2014 at 7:39AM
Everybody is writing about the 50th anniversary of the Beatles tour of the U.S. But it is also yje 50th anniversary of Bobby Fischer's exhibition tour of the US. I recommend John Donaldson's book A Legend on the Road. Fischer played over 1800 known games on his tour. March 8 is the 50th anniversary of my one and only loss to Bobby Fischer. A picture of me playing Bobby can be found in the March 19 edition of my college newspaper "The Hoya", available on the Web at (Page 11) in:

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/555203/1964-03-19.pdf?sequence=1

Are there other old timers here who played Bobby on his tour?
always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 13 Feb 2014 at 4:14PM
I am now on the 6th rung of the chess ladder and so far I have had the black pieces on every rung.

who is doing this to me?
     
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by FragileKitty  on 13 Feb 2014 at 4:47PM
My guess is the PHP rand() function.
          
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 13 Feb 2014 at 6:27PM
int rand ( int $min , int $max ) if "Grimsweeper" then 0
               
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by FragileKitty  on 13 Feb 2014 at 7:14PM
LOL!
                    
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 13 Feb 2014 at 8:11PM
laugh it up furball
                         
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by FragileKitty  on 14 Feb 2014 at 5:19AM
<3 Grim <3
     
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by APINK on 13 Feb 2014 at 9:20PM
You a top player and don't need white, You destroy almost every player. If i was you I wouldn't need white. My Chess is awful. My guess is bad computer luck Laughing The computer picks who's white and black.
          
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Sir Gilmour of the GoldTable on 13 Feb 2014 at 10:38PM
Ha! He just enjoys destroying us in 9 moves, not 14. Think of the time and wasted in delays (15 moves, 5 days per move) in claiming the top position for a meaningful game.
               
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Sir Gilmour of the GoldTable on 13 Feb 2014 at 10:39PM
Nice proofreading.
Should read "wasted effort in delays"
                    
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 13 Feb 2014 at 10:46PM
With the Black pieces all the time Grim can experiment with the Benoni, Benko Gambit, Budapest Defense, Center Counter, Pirc, Philidor and Modern Defenses.
                         
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Lion Rampant on 14 Feb 2014 at 2:49AM
The good player can win with BOTH colors (!) :D
                              
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 14 Feb 2014 at 11:37AM
between players of equal strength White will score 55-45 this is a well established fact based on over one hundred and fifty years of tournament practice.

By having the black pieces all the time I am in essence being forced to give a 5% handicap every game. To put this more simply, a player with the black pieces will perform at 125 rating points below his performance with the white pieces.

Since it is possible to flip a coin 50 times and see it come up tails 50 times that method is not used to determine color by any chess organization I am aware of (it may be used to determine who starts with which color the first game but after that colors alternate).

If this is happening to me, it must be happening to many other players here, and the handicap applies to everyone above the level of rank novice.
                                   
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by rabbitoid  on 14 Feb 2014 at 12:15PM
Boo.
Statistically among the modern heavyweights the rate may still be something like 55-45 to white, but that's only counting the decided games, which only amounts to about 40% of the games, at best. So the true rate should be something like 22% white wins, 18% black, 60% draws. Among us patzers draws are a rarity, and we're just as likely to lose using black as white.
So sorry, Grimm, you're doomed to continue to prove the stats wrong Smiling
                                        
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by APINK on 14 Feb 2014 at 2:08PM
So If he plays 100 of us> Hop I am in the top 55 lol
                              
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Stmhawk  on 14 Feb 2014 at 11:42AM
ya, even lousy playersc like me can win with black
                                   
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Lion Rampant on 14 Feb 2014 at 3:35PM
It's true that having the advantage of the first move gives White an edge but only a slight one.
If Black follows the rules of the opening,develops sensibly with a minimum of pawn moves and castles early,he oftens
achieves equality without too much trouble and White's advantage is soon neutralised. Many of the great players of the past
like Alekhine and Botvinnik were equally at home with either color.
                                        
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 14 Feb 2014 at 5:24PM
I enjoy playing people who think they need to castle early.
                                             
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 15 Feb 2014 at 12:02AM
I like to castle early
                                                  
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by unbeatable on 15 Feb 2014 at 4:16AM
and often
                                                       
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Feb 2014 at 10:39AM
In this game Grim castles early on his 18th move... #8737012. Smiling
                                             
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Lion Rampant on 16 Feb 2014 at 3:55AM
Let's not forget the reason why castling was invented;to make the King's position more secure
and make him a more difficult target to aim at and also activate a rook. When a King castles,he is whisked away from the center where all the fighting takes place. Many short games which were called 'miniatures' occurred because a player neglected his King's safety or delayed castling for so long that his monarch
was caught in the center or forced out into the open board and eventually mated. It's well known that the two sore points at the beginning of the
game are f2 and f7 respectively. These squares owe their vulnerability to the fact they are defended
only by the King. It would appear that certain individuals on this DB are of the opinion that the
castled King is just as vulnerable as the uncastled one. Disagree. If castling hadn't made a significant contribution
to the game's advancement,it would have become obsolescent long ago.
                                                  
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by FragileKitty  on 16 Feb 2014 at 6:59AM
While castling early is a good general rule, and good advice for beginners, as with all "rules" it depends on the specific position. "Certain individuals" are well aware of this, and I'm sure were referring to those exceptions when people "castle into it" (e.g., castle early without thinking, when their opponent's pieces are aimed at their kingside and they haven't castled yet, so kingside pawns are free to advance). John Watson has many great examples of this (and exceptions to other "rules") in his excellent Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy book.
                                                  
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 16 Feb 2014 at 7:04AM
castle because you wish to or you must but never just because you can.
                                                       
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 16 Feb 2014 at 12:49PM
Perhaps my quip was misunderstood. Smiling There have been many games I've played where my opponent has delayed castling in order to gain an advantage, a spurious advantage since their king had become vulnerable. I used to call it "cheating a move." There are also games where my opponent has castled for no apparent reason other than to castle, and they have lost the chance to gain an advantage. So, as FK and Grim say, it is a practical matter.

There are many openings where castling is a necessary part of the developmental theme. For example, the Colle System. White wants to castle relatively early because he wants to expand with e4 (after Re1). Since he has played c3 there is no other effective way to favorably open the position.

Then there are games like the one I posted the link to vs Grim. Black plays a Grunfeld setup against an English Opening. An analysis of the game shows that White has played the opening virtually flawlessly. To castle earlier would not have been an improvement on the current position.

There are many discussions in opening theory on when to castle. Take for example, the English Attack. When is the best time to 0-0-0, and should White even 0-0-0? So, I think it is as stated above, it's a good rule to castle early, but don't just castle because you "can."
                                        
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by APINK on 14 Feb 2014 at 7:45PM
I am at home with Pink only! Queen
                                        
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 15 Feb 2014 at 12:48AM
Botvinnik and Alekhine were world champions, of course they won with the black pieces.

Look at their winning percentages with white compared to black and then tell me there is no difference.

lets take a look at Robert J Fischer who was notorious for trying to win every game no matter what.
with the white pieces he scored 67.9% and with the black pieces he scored 59.4%

of course it is possible that R.J.Fischer didn't really understand the rules of the opening.

                                             
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by APINK on 15 Feb 2014 at 8:19AM
How sad my winng percentage is only 30
                                                  
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 15 Feb 2014 at 8:31AM
it would be less if you had to play black all the time.
                                                       
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by unbeatable on 15 Feb 2014 at 3:38PM
The pieces all look the same to the blind(folded)
     
Re: always the black pieces
Posted by unbeatable on 14 Feb 2014 at 7:56AM
Apparently you've upset Caissa
IF I WAS PAYING MAGNUS
Posted by APINK on 9 Feb 2014 at 1:37PM
IF I WAS PLAYING MAGNUS AND HAD TO LAST 30 SECONDS IN SPEED CHESS I WOULD START KNIGHT TO F3.
     
Re: IF I WAS PAYING MAGNUS
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 9 Feb 2014 at 1:40PM
Safe, positional move (unless you're playing Grim or khayman) and allows for the most options.
          
Re: IF I WAS PAYING MAGNUS
Posted by APINK on 9 Feb 2014 at 1:55PM
YES; FOR BEGINNERS F3 IS THE SAFEST. BILL ALLOWED HIS KNIGHT TO BE PINNED AND HIS BISHOP BLOCKED D2 PAWN. HE PLAYED POOR. HE only had to last 30 seconds. He did not hire a CHESS TEACHER is beyond me. There are masters in the Seattle Area. He did not prepare. HE could have hired NIGEL SHORT! WHAT was Bill thinking? He lost in 12 seconds. Laughing
               
Re: IF I WAS PLAYING MAGNUS
Posted by APINK on 9 Feb 2014 at 1:56PM
MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by APINK on 8 Feb 2014 at 6:41PM
BILL GATES THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD GETS CHECK MATED IN 9 MOVES. IF I KNEW I WAS GOING TO PLAY MAGNUS I WOULD STUDY FOR HRS A DAY TO PREPARE. I WANT TO AT LEAST LAST 30 MOVES AND LOOK RESPECTABLE LOL Laughing Queen
     
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 8 Feb 2014 at 6:53PM
Susan Polgar commented on this game. Gates did not know that he had a winning game on move 8 when Magnus offered a piece, which Gates unwisely took.

The game...

http://www.chess.com/news/bill-gates-vs-magnus-carlsen-checkmate-in-12-seconds-8224
          
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by APINK on 9 Feb 2014 at 3:17AM
I think any player on here that plays many CHESS GAMES SHOULD BE ABLE TO LAST 20 MOVES AGAINST MAGNUS. A 10 YR OLD KID BEAT HIM. I BELIEVE THE CHILD WAS 10.
               
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by unbeatable on 9 Feb 2014 at 8:06AM
A 10 year old beat Magnus? Details please and thank you.
                    
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by APINK on 9 Feb 2014 at 12:14PM
the WC match in India. He played like 30 People in a room. He lost to a kid. Go Look.
     
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 8 Feb 2014 at 7:50PM
do you think Bill heard you?
          
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by APINK on 9 Feb 2014 at 3:12AM
nope that's why he lost. He probably had 1 month notice. Magnus had 30 seconds to beat Bill. Bill had 2 mins to move. He still lost.
               
Re: MAGNUS BEATS BILL GATES IN 9 MOVES
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 9 Feb 2014 at 8:56AM
There's a video of Carlsen winning a game with 1 minutes to move vs 9 minutes vs another player. If you watch the top players play blitz you'll see many play very well with only a few seconds to move. Saw Aronian win a game he was nearly lost in at the World Mind Games.
Chess 1,625,702,400
Posted by unbeatable on 7 Feb 2014 at 12:26PM
random pawn placement Laughing
draw...?
Posted by Stmhawk  on 5 Feb 2014 at 9:24PM
my opponent has a biship and a king, I just have a king. can I be checkmated? I don't think so, but just checking, thank you
     
Re: draw...?
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 5 Feb 2014 at 9:28PM
Are there any pawns on the board? If it is only King/Bishop vs King then it is a draw. Insufficient material.
          
Re: draw...?
Posted by Stmhawk  on 5 Feb 2014 at 9:43PM
no pawns, ty, I will send draw request
     
Re: draw...?
Posted by unbeatable on 6 Feb 2014 at 4:12AM
one or two knights sans pawns can't mate either...however under the right conditions k+n+n vs. k+p is winnable
     
Re: draw...?
Posted by Lion Rampant on 6 Feb 2014 at 4:57AM
The minimum requirements for a forced checkmate are:;
Queen,Rook,2 Bishops,Bishop and Knight All require the assistance
of the friendly King
If the only pieces left on the board are the 2 Kings or King and a minor piece,
it is a drawn game
for your infomation
Posted by Knight Jarlynn  on 3 Feb 2014 at 6:41PM
The Chess Hunters software club now has 7...yes 7...members.
we are growing...
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Zurich 2014...
Posted by unbeatable on 30 Jan 2014 at 5:50AM
starts today!
     
Re: Zurich 2014...
Posted by Lion Rampant on 30 Jan 2014 at 7:17AM
And what is the line up...(?)
          
Re: Zurich 2014...
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 30 Jan 2014 at 9:44AM
You can watch the games via Livestream:



Nakamura ponders as Caruano is about to come back to table from the right.
               
Re: Zurich 2014...
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 30 Jan 2014 at 10:18AM
And replay games with Susan Polgar's commentary on her blog:



Carlsen defeats Gelfand.
     
Re: Zurich 2014...
Posted by unbeatable on 2 Feb 2014 at 7:24AM
Carlsen was in the coffin but Nakamura forgot the nails Sad
Venue Bidding......
Posted by unbeatable on 17 Jan 2014 at 5:10AM
for the 2014 World title match is due before March 11,2014. The candidates event begins on March 11,2014.
     
Re: Venue Bidding......
Posted by Lion Rampant on 17 Jan 2014 at 11:15AM
Have any cities made a bid to stage it yet(?)
     
Re: Venue Bidding......
Posted by APINK on 1 Feb 2014 at 7:37PM
They should have it in South Korea! The WC can get really Pinky and interesting then. Smiling
Chess
Posted by gamecrazy on 15 Jan 2014 at 4:32PM
Is chess a sport? Carlsen must train the body also to be fit,and Anand didnt seem to be as fit as Carlsen was.Rest of his life will be boring in chess,when he have no good resistance anymore? Maybe find an other sport as well? Tennis? Golf?

Playing chess
     
Re: Chess
Posted by unbeatable on 15 Jan 2014 at 7:11PM
I think Carlsen fancies soccer.
     
Re: Chess
Posted by Lion Rampant on 16 Jan 2014 at 5:22AM
Of course chess is a sport. It has it's own Olympics...yes?
You have to prepare/do training for important tournaments/matches...yes?
Case closed! Smiling
     
Re: Chess
Posted by APINK on 16 Jan 2014 at 8:43AM
CARLSEN should get married!
          
Re: Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 16 Jan 2014 at 9:00AM
World Champions have played on for years. Look at the great Lasker. It is the love of the game that keeps them playing.
               
Re: Chess
Posted by APINK on 16 Jan 2014 at 9:47AM
CHESS MADE BOBBY FISCHER a BASKET CASE!
                    
Re: Chess
Posted by Lion Rampant on 16 Jan 2014 at 11:13AM
And Morphy 100 years before him Sad
                         
Re: Chess
Posted by APINK on 16 Jan 2014 at 11:48AM
Fischer didn't become happy until he married a JAPANESE WOMAN.
                              
Re: Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 16 Jan 2014 at 11:51AM
Well, there was that time when he won Game 3 in 1972.

Spassky–Fischer, game 3; Modern Benoni Defence, Classical Main Line (ECO A77)
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nc3 g6 7.Nd2 Nbd7 8.e4 Bg7 9.Be2 0-0 10.0-0 Re8 11.Qc2 Nh5 12.Bxh5 gxh5 13.Nc4 Ne5 14.Ne3 Qh4 15.Bd2 Ng4 16.Nxg4 hxg4 17.Bf4 Qf6 18.g3 Bd7 19.a4 b6 20.Rfe1 a6 21.Re2 b5 22.Rae1 Qg6 23.b3 Re7 24.Qd3 Rb8 25.axb5 axb5 26.b4 c4 27.Qd2 Rbe8 28.Re3 h5 29.R3e2 Kh7 30.Re3 Kg8 31.R3e2 Bxc3 32.Qxc3 Rxe4 33.Rxe4 Rxe4 34.Rxe4 Qxe4 35.Bh6 Qg6 36.Bc1 Qb1 37.Kf1 Bf5 38.Ke2 Qe4+ 39.Qe3 Qc2+ 40.Qd2 Qb3 41.Qd4 Bd3+ 0–1
     
Re: Chess
Posted by Oakheart on 18 Jan 2014 at 7:31PM
in my opinion if you might die while doing it then its a sport.
          
Re: Chess
Posted by Lion Rampant on 19 Jan 2014 at 5:05AM
That's rather a morbid definition IMHO Sad
               
Re: Chess
Posted by Oakheart on 19 Jan 2014 at 8:49AM
yes but it holds true for most sports.
                    
Re: Chess
Posted by Dionysos  on 20 Jan 2014 at 8:16AM
Talking about Bobby Fischer, do you know that those two egos, Fischer and Barbra Streisland, used to go out together, when they were schoolkids? And they used to exchange MAD comics.
                         
Re: Chess
Posted by APINK on 20 Jan 2014 at 8:28AM
Now I do?
Benedict Chess
Posted by MrLarry47  on 13 Jan 2014 at 12:59AM
Benedict Chess is now available here. 
RIP...
Posted by unbeatable on 11 Jan 2014 at 4:04PM
Vugar Gashimov
     
Re: RIP...
Posted by Lion Rampant on 12 Jan 2014 at 5:35AM
Vugar Gashimov.....not a name that readily
springs to mind...was he famous(?)
          
Re: RIP...
Posted by Dionysos  on 13 Jan 2014 at 12:43AM
Vugar Gashimov (Azerbaijani: Vüqar Həşimov; 24 July 1986 – 11 January 2014) was an Azerbaijani chess grandmaster. He was a noted player of blitz chess. His peak ranking was No. 6 in the world, achieved in November 2009.

He won the Athens 2005 (Acropolis International), and he was the winner of the Cappelle-la-Grande open 2008. In 2010–11 he tied for first with Francisco Vallejo Pons at Reggio Emilia and won the event on tie-break.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vugar_Gashimov
               
Re: RIP...
Posted by Lion Rampant on 13 Jan 2014 at 3:04AM
So he only lived until 28.....tragic.... Sad
                    
Re: RIP...
Posted by Dionysos  on 13 Jan 2014 at 3:25AM
Yes. afraid so. When Gashimov fell ill in February 2000, doctors diagnosed epilepsy.

While receiving treatment for a brain tumor in a hospital in Heidelberg, Germany, Gashimov died in the early hours of January 11, 2014. He had been inactive from chess since playing in Wijk aan Zee in January of 2012.

Wijk aan Zee is a small town on the coast of the North Sea in the municipality of Beverwijk in the province of North Holland of the Netherlands. The prestigious Tata Steel chess tournament takes place there every year.
     
Re: RIP...
Posted by unbeatable on 15 Feb 2014 at 6:30PM
Memorial tourneys. 4/19-4/30. Shamkir,Azerbaijan. Carlsen...Karjakin...Nakamura...Radjabov...Mamedyarov & Caruana

There will be an event with ratings > 2699. Best play to all combatants Smiling
Tata Steel 2014
Posted by unbeatable on 9 Jan 2014 at 2:31PM
Begins Saturday. Go Nakamura & Troff!
Garry says...
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 2 Jan 2014 at 12:52PM
Responding to comparisons of the NSA to the former East German Stasi, Garry said this was "false equivalency." Ever the one to get in a quip, I send a chess joke to him and he laughs and says, Hah! Queen is worth most!



Really, I think Garry and I could have been great friends. Maybe I could even have persuaded him to play here...against Grim!
     
Re: Garry says...
Posted by unbeatable on 2 Jan 2014 at 7:42PM
Perhaps you still can!
     
Re: Garry says...
Posted by never be clever on 3 Jan 2014 at 7:50AM
very witty Smiling
Susan Polgar Responds to Tweet
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 27 Dec 2013 at 6:11PM
I sent her a message about Ray Charles playing chess and the link. Her response:

     
Re: Susan Polgar Responds to Tweet
Posted by Colonel Crockett on 27 Dec 2013 at 6:42PM
Susan is cool. I consider her a friend even after the political turmoil she got caught in with the USCF. She can tell some awesome tales about the world's elite. Her father was obviously good at rubbing elbows. ;)
Ray Charles Playing Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 27 Dec 2013 at 5:50PM


Watch out for the knight on a3 Ray, it's going to c4. Your light squares are weak! Smiling
     
Re: Ray Charles Playing Chess
Posted by unbeatable on 28 Dec 2013 at 1:03AM
I hope the pieces feel different (by color I mean)
Retweeted Again
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 26 Dec 2013 at 12:12PM
I asked Garry what he thought of checkers and he responded:



“A little cousin whose complexities are underestimated"
     
Re: Retweeted Again
Posted by unbeatable on 26 Dec 2013 at 1:03PM
well said
1740 and higher
Posted by APINK on 24 Dec 2013 at 12:10PM
I have open spots for CHESS PLAYERS 1740 AND HIGHER who wish to play me!
Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 24 Dec 2013 at 10:52AM
Kasparov always sends some of the most interesting tweets. Not only chess but politics as well. He is a staunch opponent of Russian president Vladimir Putin. A couple days ago I managed to send him a tweet that he read immediately and retweeted with the response "Hah!" Here it is...




Since then it has been retweeted by others many times. Smiling
     
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by FragileKitty  on 24 Dec 2013 at 11:27AM
LOL -- Awesome!
          
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by unbeatable on 24 Dec 2013 at 1:14PM
Echoed
     
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 24 Dec 2013 at 12:17PM
If you put all of them in a room with Saint Olga of Kiev... I know who I'd bet on. Laughing
     
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Lion Rampant on 24 Dec 2013 at 1:54PM
Its a bit rich Putin disparaging Stalin when he himself has
acted just like him.(!)
          
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by APINK on 24 Dec 2013 at 3:44PM
Laughing Queen
     
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Bobbyb1947  on 24 Dec 2013 at 8:16PM
BRAVO Robyn!!!! I concur with everything!! I should try to get back to Sue Polgar and see what she thinks!!!! Only met her and talked when we got on the piano!!(2007 U.S. Open in Chicago!) Merry Xmas to you and all!! Including Gary our FRIEND!!!! I've just about chilled from the ladder collapse and may hop on board! It would be interesting to see what Mr. K would have to say about Eddie Snow--- !! That I think would be pushing a bit to much though! After all any time any one of us types on here everyone in the world can see it!!!! My friend who shares the #1 spot on the Chivalry ladder with me said it must have been a disgrunteld player who somehow got into the computer and crashed the ladder! Now that makes some sense to me!! LOL Bob
     
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by never be clever on 25 Dec 2013 at 7:13AM
i think the tweet about 'my terrible predecessors' is witty.
but i also think that comparing stalin to putin is helping putin as he can play the card of pity and say that his opponent don't know the facts, the simple numbers. stalin is unique (top 3-5, with hitler, mao, the japanese leader responsible in woii), in the world history regarding to number of murdered civilians. by far. by very far. number are arbitrary but i guess we should talk about dimensions like 20.000.000 (stalin) to 1000-10.000 (putin)
          
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 25 Dec 2013 at 7:30AM
Mao tops both, but wrong board.
               
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by never be clever on 25 Dec 2013 at 9:14AM
i guess you are right but that doesn't make stalin a better man, the holodomor or "hungry mass-deat", the great terror and the gulag's more acceptable
                    
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 25 Dec 2013 at 9:17AM
Quite right, it was terrible for all the victims.
                         
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by never be clever on 26 Dec 2013 at 2:08PM
BTW: feeling responsible for good governance is now a duty only felt by russian Karpov and Kasparov? Any well known western chess player politcal active, critical about the own political system? Like ages ago my country man GM Donner? Global Financial Crisis or unemployment rates of over 50% or a Middle East looking worse every day despite our extensive military and financial support or vast number of refugees, many dying under horrible conditions: may be we are doing some things a little wrong, no? Or should we put the blame to foreigners and migrants in general and Putin and Mohamed in special, feel happy and stick to our chess?
                              
Re: Retweeted by Garry Kasparov
Posted by Bobbyb1947  on 2 Feb 2014 at 8:56PM
I agree! And I also believe that ANY ONE of us on this poll could fool's or scholar's mate Assad in a heartbeat! That man is on a siding of a railroad track and there is no bumper (only a canyon 300 feet deep with 6 inches of rock and water at the bottom of it waiting for him) at the end of this single spur!!!!
The owner of a chess site..........
Posted by unbeatable on 23 Dec 2013 at 8:14PM
is in the ICU after a shootout. Praying
     
Re: The owner of a chess site..........
Posted by unbeatable on 27 Dec 2013 at 11:02AM
Emilie Ropars died 12-26-13 from complications Crying
Basque Style
Posted by unbeatable on 23 Dec 2013 at 7:52AM
At the recently concluded Brain Games event the chess part featured Basque(players play a 2 game match with opposing colors)games. I played this at a chess club many eons ago. I liked it. Has anyone else played that way? General thoughts? tyia
     
Re: Basque Style
Posted by FragileKitty  on 23 Dec 2013 at 7:57AM
Could a weaker player mirror the games to get a 0.5 score?

I can see how it would be fun, but for serious competition I have my hands full with one board. Smiling
          
Re: Basque Style
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 24 Dec 2013 at 5:32AM
The only way to deal with it would seem to be to allot openings.
Perhaps each player could pick three (the exact number isn't that important) major openings, Player 1 draws one of them (their opponent's choices) out of a bag (blind) and Board 1 starts after x moves in this opening.
Then Player 2 draws one of Player 1's choices (after checking that the Board 1 opening isn't among them and removing it if it is).

Alternatively, the player who selects first could have the option of deciding whether they want to play the White or Black side of that opening.

This might require more thought to ensure fairness, but it would stop mirroring.
Some openings might transpose to others I suppose, but if the weaker player were bright enough to do that they probably wouldn't use a mirroring strategy anyway. Smiling
is bored
Posted by APINK on 15 Dec 2013 at 3:56PM
anyone wants 2 games of CHESS?
Millionaire Chess Open
Posted by unbeatable on 13 Dec 2013 at 4:08AM
Las Vegas. October 2014. $1000 or $1500 entry fee. Consult your search sites for more details. Have a beautiful day.
     
Re: Millionaire Chess Open
Posted by FragileKitty  on 13 Dec 2013 at 5:19AM
I wonder how many cheaters they will catch. Smiling
          
Re: Millionaire Chess Open
Posted by APINK on 13 Dec 2013 at 5:43AM
How much is the Prize money?
               
Re: Millionaire Chess Open
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 13 Dec 2013 at 6:37AM
Presumably a million dollars (at least).
If the entry fee was $1000 they would need at least a thousand entrants... just to cover the prize money.
I imagine competition will be fierce. Smiling
Double Elimination Tournament
Posted by fred1234 on 9 Dec 2013 at 10:29AM
Would someone be kind enough to explain what this tourney is about?
What is its main idea please?
     
Re: Double Elimination Tournament
Posted by Lion Rampant on 9 Dec 2013 at 11:03AM
Fred,why not do a 'google' search and find out for yourself(?)
Re: Sometimes you just have to Laughing
Posted by unbeatable on 8 Dec 2013 at 4:12PM
Apparently he un-retired and infected another tourney for 6 rounds before being found out. And they allegedly gave him his entry fee back Sad
Kasparov's First Brilliant Game
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 6 Dec 2013 at 6:53PM
Known then as Garik Weinstein, the 10 year future world champion played the Tarrasch variation of the French Defense with uncommon maturity.


[Event "Kiev"]
[Site "Kiev"]
[Date "1973.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Garik Weinstein"]
[Black "Oleg Vasilchenko"]
[ECO "C03"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "79"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nc6 4.Ngf3 Nh6 5.e5 f6 6.Bb5 Bd7 7.Bxc6
Bxc6 8.Nb3 Nf7 9.Bf4 f5 10.h4 Be7 11.Qd2 b6 12.c3 Bb7 13.Be3
Qd7 14.Nc1 Ba6 15.Rh3 Qb5 16.Ne2 Qxe2+ 17.Qxe2 Bxe2 18.Kxe2
O-O-O 19.Ng5 Nxg5 20.hxg5 Rdf8 21.g3 g6 22.Rh6 Rf7 23.Rah1 Rg7
24.Kf3 Kd7 25.g4 fxg4+ 26.Kxg4 Ke8 27.b4 a6 28.a4 Kd7 29.b5 a5
30.c4 dxc4 31.Rc1 Re8 32.Rxc4 Bd8 33.Kf4 Ree7 34.Ke4 Rgf7
35.Rc6 Rg7 36.d5 exd5+ 37.Kxd5 Re8 38.e6+ Kc8 39.Bd4 R7g8
40.Rxh7 1-0

Garry's father died in 1971 and four years later he changed his surname to his mother's maiden name, Kasparov. It was a difficult decision because of relatives on his father's side who did not want him to change his name.

From Garry Kasparov on Garry Kasparov, Part 1: 1973-1985

In August 1975, at a family council of the Weinsteins and Kasparovs, it was decided that I should take the surname of my mother, which she had not changed when she married.

His trainer Nikitin wrote: Changing surname is a delicate process. While normal with women, it very rarely occurs with men and only, as a rule, when it is obligatory. The main burden is the fight to carry out the juridicial formalities and, more important, to convince all the relatives and friends of the correctness of the decision, fell on Garik's mother. How many unpleasant hours Klara had to endure, how many tears she shed...A year before that, with Botvinnik's agreement, I began insistently trying to convince her of the need to change her son's surname. I had no doubts about the boy's brilliant chess future. From my work in the USSR Sports Comittee I knew what inexplicable problems, not at all to do with chess, could suddenly be encountered by a youth with an "incorrect" surname, and how his sports career could be imperceptibly hindered or even altogether ruined. My fears were justified: much has been written about the latent anit-Semitism, especially in the upper echelons of Soviet power. I am convinced that Garry Weinstein would not have got through to a world championship match with Anatoly Karpov either in 1984 or in 1987. They would not have allowed it. He would have been eliminated at the distant approaches. At that time the system worked meticulously.


So Garry took his mother's Armenian name.
     
Re: Kasparov's First Brilliant Game
Posted by never be clever on 29 Dec 2013 at 1:58PM
the story of garik weinstein changing his name was told to me some 20 years ago by a german friend and we both agreed that it sounds pretty weird.
i cannot imagine that it crossed 13 year old swedish soccer player Zlatan Ibrahimović his mind to change his name to get better chances to reach the absolute top. I can imagine that Kasparov and Ibrahimović both thought: to reach the top we need to go everyday to the gym or we have to get a relation with the daughter of the boss of the highest chess/ soccer organization. But taking discrimination into account?
If so: did sovjets who discriminated jews behave normal to armenians? in holland, the people who think muslims are born 2nd rank, usually think that black people, jewish people, slavic people, germans, belgians and women are also inferior by birth.
If so: would it have saved Nelson Mandela one day of prison if he would have changed his name in Smith?
Piece on board...
Posted by unbeatable on 5 Dec 2013 at 7:13PM
and good moves to all Santa
Then comes the moment...
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 5 Dec 2013 at 10:36AM
when you realize your position is comical and your play, bovine.
     
Re: Then comes the moment...
Posted by FragileKitty  on 5 Dec 2013 at 11:18AM
I once played the Black side of a QGD. After 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3, I played 3...Be7 to prevent the sharp Exchange Variation with Bg5. It seems the Bg5 Exchange Variation was the only line White knew (it didn't occur to him to exchange pawns and simply play Bf4 instead), and at the time, I had no idea how to follow up 3...Be7. Our resulting position was the most bizarre setup I've seen. Pieces on weird squares, a tangled mess!
          
Re: Then comes the moment...
Posted by Lion Rampant on 5 Dec 2013 at 2:34PM
There can be few players who haven't snatched defeat from
the jaws of victory. As Dr Tartakower once observed,"The blunders are all
there just waiting to be made" Smiling
Benedict Chess
Posted by MrLarry47  on 1 Dec 2013 at 4:55PM
Does anyone know if "Benedict Chess" is coming to the main site anytime soon? It's been nearly 2 months since it was introduced to the beta site. Maybe the squirrels have forgotten about this "nutty" game.
     
Re: Benedict Chess
Posted by unbeatable on 1 Dec 2013 at 5:28PM
Does that involve the cracking of eggs upon your rival's head? Smiling
          
Re: Benedict Chess
Posted by MrLarry47  on 1 Dec 2013 at 5:31PM
Not at all, you crack the nuts on your own head. Smiling
Alkehine-Euwe 1935
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 29 Nov 2013 at 8:55AM
Garry Kasparov has posted a link on his twitter account to a YouTube video of Alekhine and Euwe in 1935. There is footage of both making speeches and even of them playing the first four moves of a game (a Budapest Gambit!). The footage of Alekhine is fascinating. He is very amused, very entertaining and he moves the pieces in an almost effeminate way. In photographs we usually see him with a serious face, but here he looks quite the sophisticated bon vivant.
Kasparov on Carlsen's WC
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 26 Nov 2013 at 2:20PM
An excellent article in Time magazine by Garry Kasparov, just published:


A New King for a New Era

http://time100.time.com/2013/11/25/a-new-king-for-a-new-era-in-chess/

Carlsen’s greatest chess strength is his remarkable intuitive grasp of simplified positions and his tremendous accuracy in them. I coached Carlsen for a year, in 2009, and I was amazed at how quickly he could correctly evaluate a position “cold,” seemingly without any calculation at all. My own style required tremendous energy and labor at the board, working through deep variations looking for the truth in each position. Carlsen comes from a different world champion lineage, that of Jose Capablanca and Anatoly Karpov, players who sense harmony on the board like virtuoso musicians with perfect pitch.
     
Re: Kasparov on Carlsen's WC
Posted by Lion Rampant on 26 Nov 2013 at 3:02PM
He is also a very good tactician reminiscent of Alekhine and Tal
in their prime.
     
Re: Kasparov on Carlsen's WC
Posted by APINK on 30 Nov 2013 at 10:39AM
Carlsen is like a son to him maybe. I am sure he is very proud. A boy he taught has become World Champion.
Chess Leagues
Posted by AndyD on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:05PM
Has anyone ever suggested that Goldtoken might include Chess Teams in League Play? The Teams would be comprised of paid members only, with just Gold or Platinum members able to start a Team or a League. Goldtoken could gain many more paid members this way, word gets around. (Other chess sites are up around $100 a year, so your various memberships are extremely reasonable.) The rating system would have to be of a very high official quality, and importantly, contain only the results of League Games. (Some other sites lump together all of a person's games, including 'casual' and 'tournament', which invites people to manipulate their ratings. They do this, for example, by inviting others to 'casual games' and 'timing out' on them, thereby lowering their ratings. They then are eligible to play against weaker players in Tournaments and Leagues. They sacrifice in one area to gain an advantage in another. So the ratings at those sites are worthless.) So by having input composed solely of League Games, our Team Players would have accurate official ratings, with no opportunities for cheating. That means we would have a respected and serious Chess Site. The 'casual' and 'tournament' games here are just for enjoyment, they would remain unchanged, but Chess League Play with a high quality official rating system would elevate this site dramatically. There are very few available. And League Play is exciting and fun!!!!
     
Re: Chess Leagues
Posted by FragileKitty  on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:19PM
Are you talking about OTB or online play?
          
Re: Chess Leagues
Posted by AndyD on 26 Nov 2013 at 5:27PM
There would be pre-game choices of days to make your moves. A Team Captain in the League would send 'challenges' to the Captain of another team. One might read, 'Two people from each team, 1400-1600 rating, 5-day time-out'. If that Captain accepted, the challenge would appear on the gamesheets of members in that 1400-1600 rating only, of both teams. When two members from each team accepted, the games would start. (The two higher-rated players would play each other, and the two lower-rated.) Each Match would consist of two games, one as White and one as Black. (So in this instance, there would be a total of four games, and each person would have 5 days to make each move. Time-Outs lose the game.) Winner's team gets 2 points for each game won, 'draws' count zero. New Members would start with a rating of 1250, and go from there. So all of us would start at that rating.
Magus did it!
Posted by Ray of Light  on 22 Nov 2013 at 6:04PM
Congratulations to a fine, young player.
     
Re: Magus did it!
Posted by APINK on 22 Nov 2013 at 7:13PM
He should have done it 2 yrs ago and Beat Kasparov's Record.
          
Re: Magus did it!
Posted by Lion Rampant on 23 Nov 2013 at 2:35AM
Let him enjoy his status while he has it...I don't think
he will reign long....already challengers are gathering to knock
him off his perch (!)
               
Re: Magus did it!
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 23 Nov 2013 at 3:14AM
He presumably hasn't reached his peak yet. Winking 3
               
Re: Magus did it!
Posted by APINK on 23 Nov 2013 at 6:40AM
They can can line up by the 1000's If They want. He is the King now and can sit back and see the other players in the candidates matches destroy each other. He will be sipping his hot tea and laughing at them. I believe Yifan Hou could beat him! She needs to get to 2700 in 6 months so she can qualify to be in those matches! She is at 2629. She needs to hurry! She only has 2 yrs to beat Kasparov's record. Queen: She could be the first Woman to be Queen of Chess!
     
Re: Magus did it!
Posted by unbeatable on 23 Nov 2013 at 6:29AM
Who's Magus? Smiling
          
Re: Magus did it!
Posted by APINK on 23 Nov 2013 at 6:32AM
The New WC of CHESS at 23!
Relive the Match Through Nakamura's Tweets!
Posted by FragileKitty  on 22 Nov 2013 at 7:25AM
World #4, Hikaru Nakamura, tweeted during the world championship match between Carlsen (#1) and Anand (#8).

I am not feeling inspired by the start of the WC match in India. One thing @Kasparov63 always understood is that chess needs to be a show.

What the...Kc3?????

Game 3 still a book draw, but this reminds me of a comment Kasparov made (in regards to Karpov) about good moves compared to best moves.

So confused by Anand's play in the last 2 games. He seems to drift, but then always find the best moves right when he is on the edge...Rb5.

In a game and more importantly a match, where players are so evenly balanced, one needs to try and gain an edge, any edge. :-D

Truly baffled by each of Anand's moves from 39 onwards. But especially 45...Rc1??

Good win for Carlsen. Sadly, this game highlights why chess is getting harder and harder to play as you get older.

Slightly confused by game 6. Once again, Anand makes some strange decisions when he has the opportunity to complicate.

The problem is that Anand is much older and secondly, Carlsen loves long slow games. Play to your strengths...

Another rather dull opening from Anand leading to massive exchanges and a high probability of a draw. Seem to be better ways of going all-in

Absolutely, but in a match format with your back to the wall, you have to try something. It seems to me Anand's strategy is...??

At this point who cares if you lose 10 in a row. You have to try and win!

It is a bit sad to see the great blitzer, calculator and awesome tactical machine that Anand was in the 90s and 00s playing this style.

Starting to realize that I am the only person who is going to be able to stop Sauron in the context of chess history.

Chess is a competitive game. If you are not going to fight and try to win, why play at all.

Looks like Anand has finally come out swinging. Today should be interesting.

20.axb4 was not in the spirit of the position at all. Both 20.a4 and 20.f5 were much stronger attacking moves. #FWCM2013

Congrats to Carlsen on a match well played!

This also leads to a forced draw, and Carlsen definitely saw the resulting Q+3 vs Q+N endgame.
     
Re: Relive the Match Through Nakamura's Tweets!
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:34AM
That definitely doesn't sound like sour grapes on his part.
If he improves he may get a shot against Carlsen... ROFL!
     
Re: Relive the Match Through Nakamura's Tweets!
Posted by fred1234 on 22 Nov 2013 at 1:48PM
Class... thanks
          
Re: Relive the Match Through Nakamura's Tweets!
Posted by Lion Rampant on 22 Nov 2013 at 2:44PM
I wonder how long it will be before Carlsen will accept a challenger?
If Nakamura fancies his chances,he should throw down the gauntlet now.
               
Re: Relive the Match Through Nakamura's Tweets!
Posted by unbeatable on 23 Nov 2013 at 6:26AM
The candidates tourney in March will determine his challenger
Ponziani Opening
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 22 Nov 2013 at 6:47AM
In a recent episode of "Elementary" (2.5 "Ancient History" I think) Sherlock is playing a game of Chess with a coroner.
Sherlock makes his first move and the coroner says something along the lines of "The Ponziani, why are you coming at me with that weak stuff?"

Does anyone have any ideas as to how the coroner could have determined that Sherlock was playing the Ponziani after just one move?
I suppose it is possible that Sherlock always played the Ponziani when making that particular first move...
Another possibility is that they filmed the two making several moves and the line was left in but some moves were cut out.
Other than that it seems like a goof. Smiling
Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by Sir Face of the GoldTable  on 21 Nov 2013 at 10:29AM

"Carlsen is now leading 6-3 and needs only one draw in the remaining three games to claim the title"

http://chennai2013.fide.com/results-and-info-page/
     
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 21 Nov 2013 at 11:19AM
I haven't paid much attention to World Championships since the Karpov-Korchnoi ones... but 12 games?
Is this a World Championship Light?
          
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by APINK on 21 Nov 2013 at 1:06PM
Anand is getting DESTROYED! He is down 3 games. 1 more Loss he is finished. He has Black in game 10!
               
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by Lion Rampant on 21 Nov 2013 at 2:10PM
It ain't over until it's over Vishy may well yet rally
                    
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by APINK on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:07PM
Ya sure. I have a better chance being President than Vishy rallying back to a draw. No Chance!
                         
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by Lion Rampant on 22 Nov 2013 at 1:09AM
I'm sure it's been done before in chess history.
How many chess games have been played where a player seemed
certain to win....yet he lost(?) Sad
Don't underestimate the A Man :D
     
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by APINK on 22 Nov 2013 at 7:00AM
long live the new King of CHESS MAGNUS CARLSEN.
          
Re: Carlsen beats Anand in game 9
Posted by unbeatable on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:24AM
Agreed
OTB Time Control Based on Ratings
Posted by unbeatable on 18 Nov 2013 at 9:00PM
1. 1 minute per 100 of your foe's rating points 2. 1 second increment etc... 3.1&2
Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Nov 2013 at 8:11AM
Carlsen opened with 1 c4 and the game transposed into an unusual Semi-Slav. Carlsen now leads the match 3-2.

http://chennai2013.fide.com/fide-world-championship-g5-carlsen-opens-the-score/
     
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Nov 2013 at 8:12AM
GAME OVER - White Wins - it is now 11:11am
1.c4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 c6 4. e4 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Bb4+ 6. Nc3 c5 7. a3 Ba5 8. Nf3 Nf6 9. Be3 Nc6 10. Qd3 cxd4 11. Nxd4 Ng4 12. O-O-O Nxe3 13. fxe3 Bc7 14. Nxc6 bxc6 15. Qxd8+ Bxd8 16. Be2 Ke7 17. Bf3 Bd7 18. Ne4 Bb6 19. c5 f5 20. cxb6 fxe4 21. b7 Rab8 22. Bxe4 Rxb7 23. Rhf1 Rb5 24. Rf4 g5 25. Rf3 h5 26. Rdf1 Be8 27. Bc2 Rc5 28. Rf6 h4 29. e4 a5 30. Kd2 Rb5 31. b3 Bh5 32. Kc3 Rc5+ 33. Kb2 Rd8 34. R1f2 Rd4 35. Rh6 Bd1 36. Bb1 Rb5 37. Kc3 c5 38. Rb2 e5 39. Rg6 a4 40. Rxg5 Rxb3+ 41. Rxb3 Bxb3 42. Rxe5+ Kd6 43. Rh5 Rd1 44. e5+ Kd5 45. Bh7 Rc1+ 46. Kb2 Rg1 47. Bg8+ Kc6 48. Rh6+ Kd7 49. Bxb3 axb3 50. Kxb3 Rxg2 51. Rxh4 Ke6 52. a4 Kxe5 53. a5 Kd6 54. Rh7 Kd5 55. a6 c4+ 56. Kc3 Ra2 57. a7 Kc5 58. h4 1-0
          
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Nov 2013 at 8:20AM
Anand missed a draw with this sequence:

45. ...Ra1!
46. Bg8+ Kc6
47. Bxb3 Rxa3
48. Kc4 axb3
49. Rh6+ Kd7
50. Rb6 Ra2
51. Rxb3 Ke6
               
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Nov 2013 at 8:35AM
Hikaru Nakamura's tweet during the game: Truly baffled by each of Anand's moves from 39 onwards. But especially 45...Rc1??



45...Ra1 draws.
                    
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Nov 2013 at 8:42AM
Garry Kasparov's tweet on the result of Game 5: Tarrasch said, "before the endgame the gods have placed the middlegame." Sadly for Anand, in the endgame the gods have placed Carlsen!
                         
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 15 Nov 2013 at 9:11AM
Another Kaspy tweet: A strange match but oddly balanced. Carlsen plays without openings and Anand without endgames! Statistically, that's in Magnus's favor.
                              
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by Lion Rampant on 15 Nov 2013 at 11:03AM
I think both of them are playing the fool.
Neither seems to be taking the other seriously (!) Sad
     
Re: Carlsen Defeats Anand in Game 5
Posted by APINK on 17 Nov 2013 at 6:05AM
It's 4-2 Now!
First Alekhine-Euwe match
Posted by Guanarteme  on 14 Nov 2013 at 10:59AM
There is an allegation which I have heard many a time, but have found no proof. The allegation, which I have heard from several sources with various levels of credibility, is that Alekhine bet heavily on Euwe after getting an ironclad rematch clause in the contract. Does anybody have a source for this allegation?

Yes, there are multiple accounts of Alekhine drinking during the match, but that is a far cry from throwing the match after betting against himself. Is there anything written on this?
     
Re: First Alekhine-Euwe match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 14 Nov 2013 at 11:21AM
I've not heard that, although it would bolster Grimsweeper's dubious claim that Euwe wasn't one of the greatest World Champions. Smiling
          
Re: First Alekhine-Euwe match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 14 Nov 2013 at 11:38AM
I'm not in a position to judge who were the greatest World Champions.
It seems a little bit hard to judge as no World Champion has played against every other World Champion. Smiling

I suppose they're games could all be analysed by computers.
It would be handy to have a definition of "greatest".
Also we would need to know what the criteria for being "one of the greatest" are.
Are there a certain number of places, or is playing strength more important?
          
Re: First Alekhine-Euwe match
Posted by Grimsweeper  on 14 Nov 2013 at 1:56PM
nothing dubious about claiming Euwe was the least greatest of the world champions. The proof is in his games.
     
Re: First Alekhine-Euwe match
Posted by Lion Rampant on 14 Nov 2013 at 11:30AM
There is no proof that Alekhine indulged in this sort of practice.
What caused Alekhine's shock loss to Euwe in 1935 was chronic inebriation. Alekhine always
had a reputation for being a hard drinker. He was an alcoholic although
he himself never admitted it. However,the shock of losing the world title must have been salutary as he
disciplined himself to avoid further drinking as he prepared for the rematch.
In 1937,as a result of his strict abstinence,he easily regained
the world title by a score of 10 wins 4 losses and 11 draws.
It's true that Alekhine was something of a mercenary,but not when it
came to personal pride. Those who knew him at all well realised he had
two great passions,Chess and Alekhine.
Game 4 was a draw.
Posted by Ray of Light  on 13 Nov 2013 at 7:26AM
     
Re: Game 4 was a draw.
          
Re: Game 4 was a draw.
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 13 Nov 2013 at 7:49AM
Carlsen said he didn't see any clear win but thought there was one for him. He said Anand kept finding resources. In constrast, Anand said he thought it was a draw but Carlsen kept finding resources to threaten a win.

The players were asked why Kasparov was not allowed to sit in the front row and both said nothing. The person sitting next to them said the question wasn't appropriate and to ask it somewhere else. Carlsen then responded by saying he didn't have time to forbid Kasparov from sitting down, then laughed.

               
Re: Game 4 was a draw.
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 14 Nov 2013 at 9:14AM
Presumably Kasparov would have been able to procure a front row seat if he had purchased one quickly enough - unless the front row seats were allocated before tickets became available to buy... Smiling
Kasparov on Fischer
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 11:37AM
In his play, Fischer was amazingly objective, long before computers stripped away so many of the dogmas and assumptions humans have used to navigate the game for centuries. Positions that had been long considered inferior were revitalized by Fischer’s ability to look at everything afresh. His concrete methods challenged basic precepts, such as the one that the stronger side should keep attacking the forces on the board. Fischer showed that simplification—the reduction of forces through exchanges—was often the strongest path as long as activity was maintained. The great Cuban José Capablanca had played this way half a century earlier, but Fischer’s modern interpretation of “victory through clarity” was a revelation. His fresh dynamism started a revolution; the period from 1972 to 1975, when Fischer was already in self-exile as a player, was more fruitful in chess evolution than the entire preceding decade.

The Bobby Fischer Defense, Garry Kasparov
Does life...
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 11:21AM
sometimes seem like an endless series of patzer checks?
     
Re: Does life...
Posted by FragileKitty  on 12 Nov 2013 at 11:39AM
At least those are harmless and can make you chuckle. ;-)
Carlsen's Qh1
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 8:36AM
Interesting position from Game 3 after Carlsen's 25 Qh1



Whose side would you rather play from?
Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 11 Nov 2013 at 8:20PM
And according to Susan Polgar's tweets the "chess fraternity" isn't happy he's there. They think he is trying to show up Anand.

Unbelievable. The "chess fraternity" couldn't win 2 games out of 20 against Kasparov, even now. As arguably the best player of all time, he has the right to be at the WC match. They should feel honored he is there. Jealousy. Politics. Little people.
     
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Lion Rampant on 12 Nov 2013 at 3:27AM
Kasparov ain't done nothing wrong so he has every right to be there.
You cannot exclude someone just because they are better than you(!)
This reminds me of the famous Alekhine-Capablanca World Championship Match
in Buenos Aires,Argentina in 1927 which turned out to be one of the longest in chess history. Alekhine
won the title after a marathon battle by a score of +6 -3 with 25 draws.
It caused a rapid declination in the relationship between the two men.
They ceased to be on speaking terms and this continued for over 15 years. Capa
never came to terms with his dethronement and for years after kept complaining about
"my title". Alekhine,for his part,studiously avoided a rematch with his arch rival
for almost a decade. He even sought to bar Capa from tournaments in which he himself
participated. When the Cuban raised a purse of $10,000 Alekhine cited the instability of the
currency at the time and demanded it in gold.
They clearly never heard of the maxim. "Life is too short to be petty."
          
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 8:56AM
Capa learned in that match that he had to play better and study more. He really wasn't prepared to play Alekhine. Capa had so dominated the game in the past decade that he became a bit lazy--but was still good enough to win easily. Too bad he never got his rematch--like Kasparov and Kramnik.

Apparently all is well in Chennai now. Kaspy is being treated like a VIP and everyone is tres happy. Smiling
               
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Guanarteme  on 12 Nov 2013 at 9:26AM
An (admittedly disreputable) IM -- a contemporary of both C and A -- with whom I had the poor judgment of associating at one time, told me that Alekhine paid several blondes to keep Capa distracted throughout the match. I withold any opinion as to the veracity of this story.
                    
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 9:35AM
Laughing

!!!!!!

Great story!
                         
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Lion Rampant on 12 Nov 2013 at 3:16PM
I did note that Alekhine never used any psychological tricks during the Capa match.
In later life he developed the disturbing habit of getting up after making his move
and circling round and round the board like a kite,all the time glaring at his opponent.
The pressure must have been enormous. Botvinnik once told the tale during his game with
Alekhine at Nottingham in 1936 how the latter kept up his 'kite' routine for almost 30 mins while Botvinnik
fought inwardly to stem the psychological effects. Today though,however,such tactics are forbidden under FIDE
rules which classed such actions as harassment of the opponent.
                              
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 12 Nov 2013 at 3:22PM
Those type of tricks seem like the sort of thing a person would do if they lacked confidence in their Chess (regardless of their strength), well that and not having the psychological strength to cope with being defeated. Smiling
                              
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 3:22PM
Reminds me of the disappearing act Kasparov keep doing with Anand in their match.
                                   
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 12 Nov 2013 at 3:34PM
Strange. If I was a player of their calibre I'd do most of my thinking while my opponent was thinking. Then I could make my move a few seconds after they did (potentially).
And if there aren't any surprises in the first twenty to thirty moves - what's to think about?
                                        
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by rabbitoid  on 12 Nov 2013 at 10:44PM
Once it comes to glaring Kasparov is surely number one!
                                             
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 13 Nov 2013 at 5:13AM
The Glaring Gambit is best met with the Glacial Disinterest Defence... Winking 3
                                                  
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by unbeatable on 13 Nov 2013 at 7:09AM
and or sunglasses Laughing
     
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 12 Nov 2013 at 10:30AM
Even if Kasparov still is or ever was the best player up to this or a previous point in time, it is very unlikely that there will never be a player whose ability eclipses his (if such a player does not already exist).
Once a computer exists that is sufficiently strong to break Chess it will be relatively easy to determine how any player compares to another, by determining the number of inaccuracies, mistakes and blunders in their games. Smiling
          
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 10:49AM
There is a site that analysis Fischer as the most accurate player when his moves are compared to a computer program.
               
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 12 Nov 2013 at 10:55AM
I suppose I was being a bit narrow in my interpretation of "best".
Even if player A is genuinely "better" than player B, they may still get below expectation results when they play them due to the two players having different strengths. Smiling
                    
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 11:02AM
Sometimes it's a matter of styles. Some players play better against certain players but not against others that had lost to the player they beat. Puzzled
                         
Re: Kasparov in Chennai for WC match
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 12 Nov 2013 at 12:22PM
Hehe! Falling
At least it's good for the spectators.
If the game was just being played by Elo 4000 computers there might not be that many people who could appreciate what was going on... Winking 3
World Chess Championship
Posted by unbeatable on 10 Nov 2013 at 3:03AM
Two draws thus far. Festivities resume Tuesday.
     
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Lion Rampant on 10 Nov 2013 at 5:28AM
I hope this is not an omen for the future....chess is a game
where you play to win after all(!) Sad
          
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 10 Nov 2013 at 7:08AM
A short Reti (or KIA DF) and Caro-Kann. Hopefully, the match will not be a test of these openings.
          
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 10 Nov 2013 at 7:08AM
One hopes they are playing to win...
but given perfect play (hypothetically) from two players it would only be possible for one of them to win if the game were "fixed" (player 1 or player 2 has a forced win from the beginning no matter what there opponent does provided they play perfectly) or a game of chance. Smiling
               
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 10 Nov 2013 at 8:47AM
Videos of the games and live, turgid analysis.

http://chennai2013.fide.com/
                    
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 10 Nov 2013 at 9:55AM
Grinning
     
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by unbeatable on 12 Nov 2013 at 6:11AM
Game 3 drawn. Apparently/allegedly Anand's Qb4 was a weak choice.
          
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 7:15AM
Yes, he was up a pawn as Black against another KIA (although it look more like a Reti since White isn't playing e4, but c4) and with Qb4 lost the initiative. But Qb4 also quickly trades down to a very simple endgame. Anand seems to be having no trouble at all right now with Carlsen's white pieces. Still early though.
               
Re: World Chess Championship
                    
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 12 Nov 2013 at 8:11AM
According to Susan Polgar and other commentators, Anand had all the chances for the win as Carlsen misplayed with 28. e3.

http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-drops-the-advantage-third-game-drawn/
                         
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 13 Nov 2013 at 7:32AM
Game 4 was a difficult draw for Anand against Carlsen's Berlin Defense. Double rook endgame.
     
Re: World Chess Championship
Posted by unbeatable on 16 Nov 2013 at 1:34PM
4-2 Carlsen. Anand needs a miracle imo.
Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by M3  on 7 Nov 2013 at 2:38PM
I was chatting with my opponent on the Atomic Chess Ladder and wrote this. I suspect that if odds apply this is very unlikely to be accepted, but here it is.

The slight change in rules I have in mind for this variant would allow one of these two:
  1. a King may remain or move into check if its capture would also destroy its opponent's King allowing one to draw by "hugging" the opponent
  2. a King my commit suicide if that also destroys its opponent's King resulting in either
    • a draw
or
    • a double loss.
This would let a K say Tongue to overwhelming attackers and require running away as I am doing in this game.
     
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by Lion Rampant on 7 Nov 2013 at 2:47PM
Anyone tried "Alcoholic Chess"(?!) It's a REAL challenge (!) Smiling
          
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 7 Nov 2013 at 2:51PM
The Kings of the Variant are rabbitoid and dama1.
               
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by M3  on 8 Nov 2013 at 9:05AM
No, I have not tried alcoholic chess much, although someone once spike my 7Up with vodka. I wondered why my game was going to pieces.
I do not dispute who the kings are, but I wonder how well Grimsweeper  would do at it.
should a King need to flee an attack the carrying out of which would also slay his rival
Maybe the variant could be called
Suicide Chess or Explosive Vest Chess or Death Grip Chess or Embrace of Death Chess or Kiss of Death Chess?
     
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 8 Nov 2013 at 11:30AM
There are various forms of Atomic Chess.
In at least one of them "hugging" the enemy King is a valid defence (things are pretty desperate if this point is reached).
In at least some cases the enemy King can "shake you off", but it takes some work. Smiling

At IYT they have a form of Atomic Chess (it's closer to standard Chess than Atomic) where only one piece is Atomic.
Each player nominates one of their pieces to be the Atomic one in that game.
In this form, the Atomic piece does not explode if captured, it has to be detonated in lieu of moving.
When a player captures their opponent's Atomic piece they generally have no way of knowing it.
I think it may be legal to nominate the King as the Atomic piece... but that would be crazy! ROFL!
          
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 8 Nov 2013 at 11:32AM
So, if one hugs the King, yet is also a male that would disqualify him for...

oh wait, wrong DB!
               
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 8 Nov 2013 at 11:37AM
The pieces would only be "laying down" with each other if both players resigned simultaneously - I'm not sure if it's legal to resign when it isn't your turn.
                    
Re: Atomic Chess: Variant of a Variant?
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 8 Nov 2013 at 11:38AM
Smiling
RH's Useless Tip of the Day
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 7 Nov 2013 at 12:25PM
Avoid static pawn structures.
Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by MrLarry47  on 6 Nov 2013 at 3:14PM
How many have tried out the three new variants of chess and what do you think of each of them? Recycle is already here. Benedict and Dice may come sometime this month.
     
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by unbeatable on 6 Nov 2013 at 5:04PM
Dice chess gives me equal chances of victory Laughing
          
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Lion Rampant on 7 Nov 2013 at 7:26AM
Nothing can beat original chess. The shadow can never
compare to the substance Smiling
               
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by MrLarry47  on 7 Nov 2013 at 8:24AM
It isn't a case of "beating" chess. I don't think any game of any kind can. It is symply other ways to enjoy the game we love.
               
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 7 Nov 2013 at 9:44AM
By "original chess" can I take it that you are referring to Chaturanga rather than its distant progeny Western Chess?
                    
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 7 Nov 2013 at 10:01AM
It's quite interesting how the names of the pieces in Chaturanga are similar to those in Xiangqi: General, Advisor, Elephant, Chariot, Horse...and no women. Of course, as the game involved (not in Xiangqi though) the Advisor was usurped by the Queen, who continued the tradition of not allowing the King more than one move at a time. Smiling
                         
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by rabbitoid  on 7 Nov 2013 at 10:55AM
Those 5 are from the antiquity. But how on earth did a cannon get in there?
                              
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 7 Nov 2013 at 11:09AM
involved=evolved, my French is suspect, at best.

Indeed, the earliest form of a cannon is from China in the 1100s.
                    
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Lion Rampant on 7 Nov 2013 at 11:12AM
OK substitute "Standard" chess for "original" Smiling
                         
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 7 Nov 2013 at 4:34PM
Okay! Winking 3
I think standard chess may have to evolve a little though.
I'm thinking specifically of the 50 Move Rule.
It serves a valid purpose but...
I've read (I don't know if it's true) that there are some mates that are possible to achieve (with perfect play from both sides) that require more than fifty moves.
Under the current rules they would just be draws.

P.S. I think that standard chess is a great game just the way it is, and that none of the current variants are likely to take its place. Smiling
                              
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 7 Nov 2013 at 4:36PM
I've had dates that required move than 50 moves.
                                   
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 7 Nov 2013 at 4:41PM
More than 290/545? I've just read a Wikipedia article and can't tell whether the longest forced mate requires 290 or 545.
I guess someone would have to be pretty uptight (or just really into Chess) to not just give their opponent the draw! Grinning
                                        
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by rabbitoid  on 7 Nov 2013 at 10:30PM
Read Robyn's post again
                                             
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 8 Nov 2013 at 5:50AM
Why?
                                                  
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by Robyn Hode  on 8 Nov 2013 at 6:27AM
dates
                                                       
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by rabbitoid  on 8 Nov 2013 at 6:44AM
Robyn, maybe you should have mentioned you were talking about another variant of the game Smiling
                    
Re: Benedict and Dice Chess
Posted by MrLarry47  on 7 Nov 2013 at 4:37PM
No, I think what he meant was the "regular" chess that is played here at GT, and then we have all the different variants. However, my original question hasn't had any feed back yet.
Fear Yi! Fear Yi!
Posted by unbeatable on 2 Nov 2013 at 9:25AM
Wei Yi is now the youngest 2600+ rated player ever!

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